tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10616342521471562382024-03-13T03:43:12.965-07:00Sandy Hook Hoax Hall Of ShameBecause what's good for the Goose is good for the GanderUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1061634252147156238.post-50961689902053062612014-05-09T12:36:00.001-07:002014-05-09T12:36:14.847-07:00Wade Vids, American Free Press and Controlled Opposition<a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Controlled%20opposition">Controlled Opposition</a>
is a political term for when an organization has someone who claims to
oppose it is actually part of it. It's either a political fraud or <i>ruse de guerre</i>, depending on your point of view.<br />
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In Fetzer's case he's got a controlled critics in Wade Vids aka the Deadliest Minute who wrote<a href="http://sandyhookanalysis.blogspot.com.tr/2014/05/afp-radio-interview-wolfgang-halbig.html"> a blog </a>about how he's "not pulling any punches:<br />
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AFP Radio Interview: Wolfgang Halbig goes to Newtown.
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Deanna Spingola was to interview Wolfgang Halbig and AFP Producer Dave
Gahary (the one with the cane at the meeting) after the Newtown meeting;
however, Halbig apparently flaked out. Dave Gahary and Spingola talked
about the event. Keith Johnson called in. Then I called in and we
held a round table discussion. I am well beyond the point of pulling any
punches when it comes to those two frauds, Halbig and Fetzer and any of
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Problem:
Wade is promoting both the Sandy Hook Hoax conspiracy and American Free
Press, then claiming to believe Fetzer and his cronies are frauds.
Someone must not have told Wade the people at American Free Press <i>are</i> Fetzer's cronies.<br />
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<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Free_Press#Critics">American Free Press</a> is a loathsome front for publishing racist and Nazi propaganda. Wade couldn't have missed that:<br />
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The <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Poverty_Law_Center" title="Southern Poverty Law Center">Southern Poverty Law Center</a> considers it a hate group<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-9"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Free_Press#cite_note-9">[9]</a></sup> and claims that it "carries stories on Zionism, secret 'New World Order' conspiracies, American Jews and Israel."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-10"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Free_Press#cite_note-10">[10]</a></sup> One of the newspaper's ex-contract reporters, <a class="mw-redirect" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Bollyn" title="Christopher Bollyn">Christopher Bollyn</a>, is sometimes cited for his reporting in the <a class="mw-redirect" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Truth_Movement" title="9/11 Truth Movement">9/11 Truth Movement</a>. The <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League" title="Anti-Defamation League">Anti-Defamation League</a>
has criticised the newspaper and, in particular, Bollyn for linking of
prominent figures in the Jewish community with the events of September
11, 2001, and in September 2006 attacked the newspaper for disseminating
"antisemitic propaganda".<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-11"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Free_Press#cite_note-11">[11]</a></sup><br />
Many contributors such as Mark Dankof<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-12"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Free_Press#cite_note-12">[12]</a></sup> and <a class="new" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mark_Glenn&action=edit&redlink=1" title="Mark Glenn (page does not exist)">Mark Glenn</a> are also contributors to Iran's <a class="mw-redirect" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PressTV" title="PressTV">PressTV</a> television station. According to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_in_Media" title="Accuracy in Media">Accuracy in Media</a>,
"Press TV spews out unending streams of anti-American propaganda", and
refers to Dankof as a Ron Paul supporter who is also a "Press TV
propagandist".<sup class="Template-Fact" style="white-space: nowrap;">[<i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed" title="Wikipedia:Citation needed"><span title="This claim needs references to reliable sources. (April 2014)">citation needed</span></a></i>]</sup>
In a May 2011 article Dankof protested the British government
attempting to shut down Press TV, blaming it on "media outlets and
correspondents with provable connections to the American Jewish lobby;
Israeli intelligence; and Neo-Conservatives thirsting for a War of
Civilizations with Iran specifically, and the Islamic world generally.” <sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-13"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Free_Press#cite_note-13">[13]</a></sup> In a May 2011 article, Dankof also quoted from and wrote that the <a class="mw-redirect" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocols_of_the_Learned_Elders_of_Zion" title="Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion">Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion</a> accurately reflect the state of the world. He lauded PressTV as one of the few exceptions to the Jewish control of the media.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-14"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Free_Press#cite_note-14">[14]</a></sup></blockquote>
Many of the people listed at Wiki are cronies of Fetzer or in his circle of friends:<br />
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Michael Collins Piper<br />
Christopher Bollyn<br />
Mark Dankof<br />
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In 2006 they <a href="https://www.americanfreepress.net/AFP_2006_conference.pdf">had a conference</a> with Fetzer's cronies Doug Rokke, Tex Mars, and Victor Thorne:<br />
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Links to Fetzer and AFP cronies:<br />
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Michael Collins Piper :radiofetzer.blogspot.com/2012/08/michael-collins-piper.html<br />
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Christopher Bollyn: http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2010/05/murderous-mossad-and-9-11-by.html<br />
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Mark Dankof: radiofetzer.blogspot.com/2011/10/mark-dankof.html<br />
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Doug Rokke: radiofetzer.blogspot.com/2009/06/doug-rokke.html<br />
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Texe
Mars:
https://jhaines6.wordpress.com/2012/09/25/israels-netanyahu-and-the-jewish-neocons-in-america-vow-revenge-by-texe-marrs-with-jim-fetzer/<br />
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Victor Thorne: 911scholars.ning.com/profiles/blogs/jesse-ventura-reveals-black<br />
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Also Fetzer is Facebook friends with Victor's long time associate<a href="http://lisa%20guliani/"> </a><a data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/hovercard.php?id=641842798&extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22friends_tab%22%7D" href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=641842798" id="js_1">Lisa Guliani.</a><br />
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<b>It's laughable to expect anyone to believe AFP
or anyone representing AFP really believes Fetzer is a fraud. </b><br />
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This is
another conspiracy shell game to make it look like there exists "debate"
in the community. It's also damage control. The Hookers failed hard Tuesday and they know it. Maybe the only way to save face it to
pretend Fetzer is "disinfo", and the real Hookers will save the day. Expect Fetzer to be pulling strings behind the scenes.<br />
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Wade
may be a clueless duffus who
hasn't bothered to do the research. He can start with this Google searches: <br />
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Wade wrote:<br />
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No one with a brain calls in and and has a roundtable discussion with a group of Nazis. Wade, if you really aren't a closet Nazis sleazebag, AFP is not your friend. Here's some info on your friends supposedly criticizing Fetzer and Halbig:<br />
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<span class="x-archive-meta-title"></span>Deanna Spingola discusses the Importance of Debunking Holocaust Lies and
Understanding the Truth about what was done to Germany - May 25th,
2011. [Re-Edited 6.15.11 due to bogus claims of copyright infringement
regarding the bumper music by people who do not want you to hear this
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You're welcome. <br />
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<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com14tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1061634252147156238.post-32078452739263568752014-05-08T14:12:00.000-07:002014-05-08T14:12:30.221-07:00Post game fall out of Hooker Road TripRead more:<br />
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<a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2014/05/hooker-fail-shamed-by-school-board.html">http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2014/05/hooker-fail-shamed-by-school-board.html</a><br />
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hahahahaha, is that it.<br />
Halbig collected all that money from people to go to Newtown and say the same crap he has been saying for the past 2 years.<br />
He didn't do a damn thing, he actually admitted something happened. LOL, he scammed you people.<br />
I know you are going to try and delete my comment again, but I'll keep coming back.<br />
Your man took people's money, went to Sandy Hook, and did nothing.<br />
Hell they basically said it did happen. LOL</div>
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As reported <a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2014/05/fetzer-and-halbig-road-trip-to-newtown.html">here</a>, Fetzer and Halbig were on their way to crash the School Board Meeting. Whatever the plan was, it flopped as no one took the bait and they were left looking like the insensitive, ignorant douches they are:<br />
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Newtown school board greets Sandy Hook skeptics with silence<span class="name"> </span><span class="name"> </span><br />
<span class="name">Nanci G. Hutson</span><br />
Published 10:07 pm, Tuesday, May 6, 2014<br />
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NEWTOWN -- They came and they spoke, but their words fell flat with a respectful but thoroughly disgusted audience. <br />
A dozen or so self-described skeptics of official accounts of the <a href="http://www.newstimes.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Sandy+Hook+school%22">Sandy Hook school</a> shooting appeared Tuesday night at the <a href="http://www.newstimes.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Board+of+Education%22">Board of Education</a> meeting, each taking the allotted three minutes to address pointed questions to board members. <br />
<a href="http://www.newstimes.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Wolfgang+Halbig%22">Wolfgang Halbig</a>,
the most prominent member of the group, raised questions about
everything from the scale of police response that day to their refusal
to accept his expert help in analyzing the event. He suggested that his
legitimate efforts to get answers have been thwarted, and accused board
members of toeing an official line.<br />
"Board members, these are your children," Halbig said. "We want answers. We want truth.''<br />
But board members refused to take the bait, remaining silent
throughout presentations by Halbig and several of his supporters who
followed him to the microphone. The audience, which included First
Selectman Pat Llodra and several other town officials who had come to
support the board, also stayed silent.<br />
The only public response came from Newtown resident <a href="http://www.newstimes.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Jim+Fitzpatrick%22">Jim Fitzpatrick</a>,
who was the last to speak. Unable to let this group have the last word,
he said, "It's a shame to see this circus come to town, and I'm
offended by the people who have come, and these conspiracy theories.
Newtown has conducted itself wonderfully.''<br />
He was greeted with a round of light applause, quickly waved silent by Board Chairman <a href="http://www.newstimes.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Debbie+Leidlein%22">Debbie Leidlein</a>.<br />
Halbig, a former Florida state trooper and U.S. Customs inspector,
describes himself as a school safety and security consultant. He claims
to have given school safety training and assessments to thousands of
school districts nationwide, and to be a frequent speaker on safety at
school board conferences across the country.<br />
He is one of the more prominent of those who question official
accounts of what happened the day of the school shootings. In numerous
interviews he has criticized police response as inadequate, and on his
website, sandyhookjustice.com, he poses 16 questions he says officials
have never satisfactorily answered about the event. He also claims to
have been threatened for persisting in his efforts to get answers to
those questions.<br />
Halbig's "16 Questions" have become a regular theme among online
writings by conspiracy theorists, who began raising questions about
Sandy Hook within days of the mass shooting that killed 20 first-graders
and six faculty members on Dec. 14, 2012.<br />
School and civic leaders have done their best to ignore these theorists.<br />
Before the meeting, Llodra declined to comment on Halbig's
appearance, saying she would rather keep her sights on doing what's best
for her town and its residents.<br />
"We know what happened to us and to our community, and our families
and our schools, on Dec. 14, 2012," said Llodra, who took a seat at the
board table to show solidarity with the members."We want to be as
transparent as possible, but we have things to do on a daily basis, and
this particular level of dialgoue I'm referring to our attorneys."<br />
None of the victims' families attended.<br />
The strategy of town and school leaders was to give this group as little attention as possible. And it worked.<br />
A half-hour before the meeting started, Halbig's followers rallied in front of the <a href="http://www.newstimes.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Municipal+Center%22">Municipal Center</a>. One man dressed in a Revolutionary War-era uniform wave a hanging effigy of Governor <a href="http://www.newstimes.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Dannel+Malloy%22">Dannel Malloy</a>.<br />
At one point when the group blocked the sidewalk, town officials
asked them to stand on the grass so as not to block the walkway. A
policeman was then posted at the front door, and the door locked until
the meeting was ready to begin.<br />
When public comments concluded, the group left the room, with a
police officer standing guard at the door to assure an orderly exit.<br />
Earlier Tuesday, a group of Halbig's supporters visited the Danbury offices of the <br />
United Way of Western Connecticut, demanding records about the use of
charitable funds collected on behalf of the Sandy Hook community. Chief
Executive Officer <a href="http://www.newstimes.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Kim+Morgan%22">Kim Morgan</a> said the group was told that all financial documents for the non-profit agency can be found online.<br />
"I would prefer not to give them a voice in the mainstream media, and
to reassure the public that all of our financial documents are online
and can be accessed by anyone,'' Morgan said.<br />
Seven members of the group, some carrying still and video cameras,
then visited the offices of the News-Times, asking to meet with a
reporter. A News-Times editor met with one member of the group, Nevada
attorney Day Williams, who asked for a story about their visit to United
Way, but the request was declined.<br />
School board members used the door on the opposite side of the "truthers'' to enter the building.<br />
Noting that he has served with many school boards over the years, newly installed Superintendent <a href="http://www.newstimes.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=local&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Joseph+Erardi%22">Joseph Erardi</a> Jr. was clearly impressed with how the board handled such a sensitive event.<br />
"I was incredibly proud of the school board this evening," he said.<br />
One audience member, though, couldn't quite contain himself, adding as Fitzpatrick finished his comments.<br />
"It's crazy," he said, shaking his head. "It's sad.''</blockquote>
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Photos of the idiots on parade:<br />
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Wolfgang Halbig, a former Florida State Trooper and school principal,
asks questions about the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting during
the public participation section of the Board of Education meeting at
the Newtown Municipal Center Council Chambers in Newtown, Conn. Tuesday,
May 6, 2014.
Photo: Tyler Sizemore</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Melbourne San, of Rome, N.Y., dressed as a patriot walks into the
Newtown Municipal Center Council Chambers in Newtown, Conn. for the
Board of Education meeting Tuesday, May 6, 2014. Wolfgang Halbig, a
former Florida State Trooper and school principal, spoke during the
public participation part of the meeting, asking questions about the
Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting on Dec. 14, 2012.
Photo: Tyler Sizemore
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Melbourne San, of Rome, N.Y., dressed as a patriot uses a prop for
demonstration outside the Newtown Municipal Center in Newtown, Conn.
before the Board of Education meeting Tuesday, May 6, 2014. The prop
reads "Here hangs Gov. Malloy Oath Breaker" and "Expose me w/ Sandy
Hook...I'll give you back your 2nd Amendment rights!" </td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">A crowd watches during the Board of Education meeting at the Newtown
Municipal Center Council Chambers in Newtown, Conn. Tuesday, May 6,
2014. </td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Wolfgang Halbig, a former Florida State Trooper and school principal,
speaks about the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting before the Board
of Education meeting at the Newtown Municipal Center Council Chambers in
Newtown, Conn. Tuesday, May 6, 2014.</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Dan Bidondi, of Infowars.com, speaks at the Board of Education meeting
at the Newtown Municipal Center Council Chambers in Newtown, Conn.
Tuesday, May 6, 2014.</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Wolfgang Halbig, left, a former Florida State Trooper and school
principal, and Melbourne San, of Rome, N.Y., laugh before the Board of
Education meeting at the Newtown Municipal Center Council Chambers in
Newtown, Conn. Tuesday, May 6, 2014.</td></tr>
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<tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">Melbourne San, of Rome, N.Y., dressed as a patriot uses a prop for
demonstration outside the Newtown Municipal Center in Newtown, Conn.
before the Board of Education meeting Tuesday, May 6, 2014.</td></tr>
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This one on Fetzer found on the Interwebs and posted for laughs. Cuz after this sick Hooker fiasco Fetzer deserves everything coming to him:<br />
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<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com23tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1061634252147156238.post-682091035824516842014-05-06T13:05:00.000-07:002014-05-06T13:05:00.265-07:00THE AD HOMINEM FALLACY FALLACYA little something for the concern trolls eager to leap on any insult as an excuse to yell "ad hominem". The short version: <a href="http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/youre-doing-it-wrong">you're doing it wrong</a>.<br />
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<a href="http://plover.net/~bonds/adhominem.html">http://plover.net/~bonds/adhominem.html</a><br />
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<b>THE AD HOMINEM FALLACY FALLACY</b><br />
<br />
<br />
One of the most widely misused terms on the Net is "ad hominem". It is most
often introduced into a discussion by certain delicate types, delicate of
personality and mind, whenever their opponents resort to a bit of <a href="http://plover.net/%7Ebonds/sarcasm.html">sarcasm</a>. As soon as the suspicion of an insult appears,
they summon the angels of ad hominem to smite down their foes, before ascending to
argument heaven in a blaze of sanctimonious glory. They may not have much up top,
but by God, they don't need it when they've got ad hominem on their side. It's
the secret weapon that delivers them from any argument unscathed.
<br />
In reality, ad hominem is unrelated to sarcasm or personal abuse. <i>Argumentum
ad hominem</i> is the <a href="http://plover.net/%7Ebonds/bdksucks.html">logical fallacy</a> of attempting to undermine a speaker's
argument by attacking the speaker instead of addressing the argument. The mere
presence of a personal attack does not indicate ad hominem: the attack must be
used for the purpose of undermining the argument, or otherwise the logical fallacy
isn't there. It is not a logical fallacy to attack someone; the fallacy comes from
assuming that a personal attack is also necessarily an attack on that person's
arguments.
<br />
Therefore, if you can't demonstrate that your opponent is <i>trying to counter
your argument</i> by attacking you, you can't demonstrate that he is resorting to
ad hominem. If your opponent's sarcasm is not an attempt to counter your
argument, but merely an attempt to insult you (or amuse the bystanders), then it
is not part of an ad hominem argument.
<br />
Actual instances of <i>argumentum ad hominem</i> are relatively rare.
Ironically, the fallacy is most often committed by those who accuse their
opponents of ad hominem, since they try to dismiss the opposition not by engaging
with their arguments, but by claiming that they resort to personal attacks. Those
who are quick to squeal "ad hominem" are often guilty of several other logical
fallacies, including one of the worst of all: the fallacious belief that
introducing an impressive-sounding Latin term somehow gives one the decisive edge
in an argument.
<br />
But enough vagueness. The point of this article is to bury the reader under an
avalanche of examples of correct and incorrect usage of ad hominem, in the hope
that once the avalanche has passed, the term will never be used incorrectly again.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a
mammal."
<br />B: "This does not logically follow. By your own argument, the set of rodents is
a subset of the set of mammals; and therefore, a weasel can be outside the set of
rodents and still be in the set of mammals."
</i></blockquote>
Hopefully it should be clear that neither A's argument nor B's argument is
ad hominem. Perhaps there are some people who think that any disagreement
is an ad hominem argument, but these people shouldn't be allowed out of fairyland.
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a
mammal."
<br />B: "This does not logically follow."
</i></blockquote>
B's argument is less comprehensive, but still not ad hominem.
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be
a mammal."
<br />B: "This does not logically follow. You evidently know nothing about logic."
</i></blockquote>
B's argument is still not ad hominem. Note that B directly engages A's
argument: he is not attacking the person A instead of his argument. There
is no indication that B thinks his subsequent attack on A strengthens his
argument, or is a substitute for engaging with A's argument. Unless we
have a good reason for thinking otherwise, we should assume it is just a
sarcastic flourish.
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be
a mammal."
<br />B: "You evidently know nothing about logic. This does not logically follow."
</i></blockquote>
B's argument is still not ad hominem. B does not imply that A's
sentence does not logically follow <i>because</i> A knows nothing about logic. B
is still addressing the substance of A's argument.
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be
a mammal."
<br />B: "You evidently know nothing about logic."
</i></blockquote>
B's argument is, most probably, <i>still</i> not ad hominem. The word
"evidently" indicates that B is basing his opinion of A's logical skills on the
evidence of A's statement. Therefore, B's sentence is a sarcastic way of saying
that A's argument is logically unsound: B is attacking A's argument. He is not
attacking the person <i>instead of</i> the argument.
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be
a mammal."
<br />B: "You know nothing about logic."
</i></blockquote>
<i>Even now</i>, we can't conclude that B's reply is ad hominem. It could well
be, and probably is, the case that B is basing his reply on A's argument.
He is not saying that A's argument is flawed because A knows nothing about logic;
instead, he is using A's fallacious argument as evidence to present a <i>new</i>
argument: that A knows nothing about logic.
<br />
Put briefly, ad hominem is "You are an ignorant person, therefore your
arguments are wrong", and not "Your arguments are wrong, therefore you are an
ignorant person." The latter statement may be fallacious, but it's not an
ad
hominem fallacy.
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be
a mammal."
<br />B: "This does not logically follow. And you're an asshole."
</i></blockquote>
B is abusive, but his argument is still not ad hominem. He engages with
A's argument. There is no reason to conclude that the personal abuse of A
is part of B's argument, or that B thinks it undermines A's argument.
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be
a mammal."
<br />B: "You're an asshole."
</i></blockquote>
B's reply is not necessarily ad hominem. There is no evidence that's his
abusive statement is intended as a counter-argument. If it's not an argument, it's
not an ad hominem argument.
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be
a mammal."
<br />B: "You evidently know nothing about logic. And you're an asshole."
</i></blockquote>
Again, B's reply is not necessarily ad hominem.
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be
a mammal."
<br />B: "Fuck you."
</i></blockquote>
Not ad hominem. B's abuse is not a counter-argument, but a request
for A to cease the discussion.
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be
a mammal."
<br />B: "Well, you've never had a good grasp of logic, so this can't be true."
</i></blockquote>
B's argument here <i>is</i> ad hominem. He concludes that A is wrong not by
addressing A's argument, but by appealing to the negative image of A the person.
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be
a mammal."
<br />B: "Well, you're a moron and an asshole, so there goes your argument."
</i></blockquote>
B's reply here is ad hominem and abusive.
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a
mammal."
<br />B: "Well, you're a rodent and a weasel, so there goes your argument."
</i></blockquote>
B's argument here might appear on superficial inspection to be sound,
but it is in fact ad hominem. He is using the terms "rodent" and "weasel"
in different senses to those used by A. Although he tries to make it appear
that he is countering A's argument by invalidating one of the premises,
he is in fact trying to counter A's argument by heaping abuse on A.
(This might also be an example of an <i>ad homonym</i> argument.)
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "All murderers are criminals, but a thief isn't a murderer, and so can't be a
criminal."
<br />B: "Well, you're a thief and a criminal, so there goes your argument."
</i></blockquote>
Harder to call this one. B is addressing A's argument, but perhaps
unwittingly.
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a
mammal."
<br />B: "Wrong! If a weasel isn't a rodent, then it must be an insectivore!
What an asshole!"
</i></blockquote>
B's argument is logically fallacious, and he concludes with some gratuitous
abuse, but nothing here is ad hominem.
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a
mammal."
<br />B: "I'm sorry, but I'd prefer to trust the opinion of a trained
zoologist on this one."
</i></blockquote>
B's argument is ad hominem: he is attempting to counter A not by addressing
his argument, but by casting doubt on A's credentials. Note that B is
<a href="http://plover.net/%7Ebonds/politeness.html">polite</a> and
not at all insulting.
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "Listen up, asshole. All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a
rodent, so it can't be a mammal."
<br />B: "Yet another ad hominem argument. Ignore this one, folks."
</i></blockquote>
A is abusive, and his argument is fallacious, but it's not ad hominem.
B's reply, ironically, <i>is</i> ad hominem; while he pretends to deal with
A's argument, in using the term "ad hominem" incorrectly, B is in fact trying
to dismiss the argument by imputing that A is resorting to personal attacks.
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "Listen up, asshole. All rodents are mammals, and a lizard isn't a
mammal, so it can't be a rodent."
<br />B: "Yet another ad hominem argument. Ignore this one, folks."
</i></blockquote>
A's argument is sound, and not ad hominem. B's reply is again ad hominem.
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "B is a convicted criminal and his arguments are not to be trusted."
<br />B: "Yet another ad hominem argument. Ignore this one, folks."
</i></blockquote>
A's argument is ad hominem, since it attempts to undermine all of B's
(hypothetical) arguments by a personal attack. B's reply is not
ad hominem, since it directly addresses A's argument (correctly characterising
it as ad hominem).
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "All politicians are assholes, and you're just another politician. Therefore, you're an asshole."
<br />B: "Yet another ad hominem argument."
</i></blockquote>
If you accept the premises, A's argument is sound. Either way, from the given
context,
we cannot conclude that it is ad hominem: it's not an attempt to undermine B's (hypothetical)
arguments by abusing him, but instead an attempt to establish that B is an asshole.
B's reply is ad hominem, since by incorrectly using the term "ad hominem", he is trying
to undermine A's argument by claiming that A is resorting to personal attacks.
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "All politicians are liars, and you're just another politician. Therefore,
you're a liar and your arguments are not to be trusted."<br />B: "Yet another ad
hominem argument."
</i></blockquote>
If you accept the premises, A's argument is sound; but I think most of us
would sympathise with B and class it as fallacious, and ad hominem. This is
because we do not accept the premise that all politicians are liars. There is a
false premise that lies behind all ad hominem arguments: the notion that all
people of type X make bad arguments. A has just made this premise explicit.
<br />
<blockquote>
<i>
A: "All rodents are mammals, but a weasel isn't a rodent, so it can't be a
mammal."
<br />B: "That does not logically follow."
<br />A: "*Sigh* Do I have to spell it out for you? All rodents are mammals, right,
but a weasel <b>isn't</b> a rodent, so it <b>can't</b> be a mammal! What's so hard
to understand???!?"
<br />B: "I'm afraid you're mistaken. Look at it logically. If p implies q, then
it does not follow that not-p implies not-q."
<br />A: "I don't care about so-called logic and Ps and Qs and that stuff, I'm talking
COMMON SENSE. A weasel ISN'T a mammal."
<br />B: "Okay, this guy's an idiot. Ignore this one, folks."
<br />A: "AD HOMINEM!!!! I WIN!!!!!"
</i></blockquote>
Although the last line of B, taken out of context, might look
ad hominem (and was seized upon as such by A), it should be clear that taken
as a whole, B's argument is not ad hominem. B engaged thoroughly with A's argument.
He is not countering A's argument by saying A is an idiot; on the contrary, having
logically countered A's argument, and having seen A's reaction, he is
<i>arguing</i> that A is an idiot. </blockquote>
<br />
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<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1061634252147156238.post-48551154266978651662014-05-05T22:33:00.000-07:002014-05-13T18:39:04.565-07:00Fetzer and Halbig: Road Trip to Newtown!<i> Update on trip posted here:</i><br />
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<a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2014/05/hooker-fail-shamed-by-school-board.html">http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2014/05/hooker-fail-shamed-by-school-board.html</a><br />
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After over a year and several months of boring the shit out of everyone on the Internets by exploiting the corpses of dead children for their sick and twisted conspiracy, they're finally going to Connecticut like they've been threatening to do:<br />
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Wolfgang Halbig and I are traveling to Newtown in search of the truth about Sandy Hook.<br />
We are going to appear at the monthly meeting of the Newtown School
Board on Tuesday to ask questions about Sandy Hook that no one has been
willing to answer.<br />
That the Newton School Board and The Newtown Bee were complicit in the fraud is not difficult to establish.<br />
This event appears to have been designed as an elaborate “psy op” to
advance an aggressive gun control agenda on the basis of reasoning that
must have gone something like this:<br />
“If we don’t get guns under
control, something horrible, like a school shooting, will inevitably
take place. We need to show the country what is going to happen if guns
aren’t brought under control, which will guarantee that something like
this never happens–as long as no one here is actually killed! Let’s do
it!” (read more)</div>
</blockquote>
This post links to a <a href="http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05/05/newtown-school-board-the-newtown-bee-complicit-in-the-sandy-hook-hoax/" rel="nofollow">Veterans' Today article</a> laughably asserting the Newtown School board is complicit in the "Hoax":<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<div class="metasingle">
<span class="postDate">Monday, May 5th, 2014</span> | <span class="postAuthor">Posted by Jim Fetzer</span> </div>
<br />
<b>Newtown School Board, The Newtown Bee complicit in the Sandy Hook hoax</b><br />
<br />
<b>by Jim Fetzer</b><br />
<br />
<i>“O, what a tangled web we weave when we practice to deceive”</i>–Sir Walter Scott<br />
<br />
<b>Wolfgang Halbig and I are traveling to Newtown in search of the truth about Sandy Hook.</b>
<br />
<b>We are going to appear at the monthly meeting of the Newtown
School Board on Tuesday to ask questions about Sandy Hook that no one
has been willing to answer.</b><br />
<b>That the Newton School Board and <i>The Newtown Bee</i> were complicit in the fraud is not difficult to establish. </b><br />
<b>This event appears to have been designed as an elaborate “psy
op” to advance an aggressive gun control agenda on the basis of
reasoning that must have gone something like this:</b><br />
<br />
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<i>If we don’t get guns under control, something horrible, like a
school shooting, will inevitably take place. We need to show the country
what is going to happen if guns aren’t brought under control, which
will guarantee that something like this never happens–as long as no one
here is actually killed! Let’s do it!”</i></blockquote>
<br />
The alternative explanation is that this plan originated at the
federal level, since Eric Holder, Attorney General of the United
States, visited with the governor of Connecticut about a month before
the event. During a press conference that day, Governor Malloy would
observe that he and the Lt. Governor had been “spoken to” that something
like this might happen.<br />
But what could he possibly have meant by that? (a) That he had been
told there would be a mass shooting of children at a Connecticut
elementary school, in which case he should have taken steps to preclude
it. (b) That he had been told that a drill would be conducted at a
Connecticut elementary school and presented as though it had been a real
event. Since he took none of the steps that might have prevented such
an event, the correct explanation has to be alternative (b).</blockquote>
<br />
It's the usual tinfoil drivel with a bit of 911 conspiracy truth for good measure:<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<h3>
The School Board and <i>The Newtown Bee</i> were complicit</h3>
We not only have multiple indications that Sandy Hook Elementary was
not an operating school at the time of the alleged shooting, including
that it was not ADA compliant and that it was being used as storage,
which of course the School Board had to have known. but ample proof that
<i>The Newtown Bee</i> was in on it, too.</blockquote>
<br />
<br />
And:<br />
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<h3>
The Parallel with 9/11</h3>
We have a parallel to the premature report by Jane Standley of the
BBC that Building 7 (WTC-7), a 47-story skyscraper, had also collapsed,
which in fact took place at 5:20 PM/ET. But Standley was making her
report at 4:57, which meant that she was 23 minutes too early:...</blockquote>
<br />
WHATever. <br />
<br />
Pro Hooker comments are as pathetic as ever:<br />
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the photo of the children leaving, the cars in the background appear to
be the same cars as in the air photo (one red, two blue, one white and a
hazard cone). The shadows are also consistent. So it appears it was
taken the same day/same time as the air photo showing the fire truck
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As a service to the good people of Newtown, we'll get the contact information for readers to warn them the loons are coming as soon as we have it.<br />
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Edit: Fetzer and his loons aren't making it easy. They're not revealing the address of the meeting. Wandering around the <a href="http://www.newtown.k12.ct.us/">Newton Public School website</a>, <br />
we found t<a href="http://www.newtown.k12.ct.us/Portals/Newtown/District/docs/BOARD%20OF%20EDUCATION/Board%20Agendas/2013-2014%20Agendas/5-6-14%20agenda.pdf">he pdf for the meeting</a>:<br />
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<blockquote class="tr_bq">
Board of Education Meeting<br />
May 6, 2014<br />
Council Chambers<br />
7:30 p.m.<br />
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As citizens of our community, we will conduct ourselves in accordance with Newtown’s Core Character Attributes as displayed in our character tree. We will be responsible for our actions and show respect for each other. We will interact<br />
peacefully, productively, and politely. We will be trustworthy and honest and show compassion toward others.<br />
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Newtown’s continued success is contingent upon our ability to persevere, to follow through with our commitments, and to stay focused on the greater good.<br />
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AGENDA<br />
Item 1 PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE<br />
Item 2 CONSENT AGENDA<br />
• Minutes of April 8, 26 and 29, 2014<br />
• NHS Field Trip<br />
• Donations<br />
• Personnel Items<br />
Item 3 PUBLIC PARTICIPATION<br />
Item 4 REPORTS<br />
• Correspondence Report<br />
• Chair Report<br />
• Superintendent’s Report<br />
• Committee Reports<br />
Item 5 OLD BUSINESS<br />
• Nurses Contract Negotiations Representative<br />
• Non-Lapsing Account<br />
Item 6 NEW BUSINESS<br />
Item 7 ADJOURNMENT</blockquote>
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During Public Participation, the Board welcomes commentary from citizens. We request that speakers be concise and respectful in their comments, do not make reference to specific persons, avoid repetition of comments made by other speakers and limit comments to no more than three minutes. The Board of Education does not discuss personnel items in public. If you desire more information or answers to specific questions, please complete the Citizen’s Request for Information form located on the table.</blockquote>
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Quote:<br />
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"During Public Participation, the Board welcomes commentary from
citizens. We request that speakers be concise and respectful in their
comments, do not make reference to specific persons, avoid repetition of
comments made by other speakers <b>and limit comments to no more than
three minute</b>s."<br />
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We've got to see this. The list of "evidence" Sandy Hook was a hoax takes longer than 3 minutes to <i>read</i>, much less speak. Look for the archive<a href="http://www.newtown-ct.gov/Public_Documents/NewtownCT_WebDocs/videoarchivent"> here</a>. <br />
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Contact info for the district <a href="http://www.newtown.k12.ct.us/DistrictInformation/StaffDirectory/tabid/6881/Default.aspx">here</a>.<br />
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Board of Education with email <a href="http://www.newtown.k12.ct.us/DistrictInformation/BoardofEducation/tabid/3294/Default.aspx">here</a>.<br />
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The Newton Bee can be contacted <a href="http://newtownbee.com/news/9830">here</a>.<br />
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Used to be this blog gave out Hooker contact info to shame them.<br />
Now we're giving readers contact info to<i> report</i> the Hookers.<br />
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Kinda come full circle with that one.<br />
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<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com10tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1061634252147156238.post-1851937079434617252014-05-04T02:22:00.000-07:002014-05-06T02:24:58.484-07:00Talk: Gun control after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting<div style="text-align: left;">
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<span class="plainlinks"><i>Find sources:</i> <a class="external text" href="http://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22gun+control+after+Sandy+Hook%22&num=50" rel="nofollow">"gun control after Sandy Hook"</a> – <a class="external text" href="http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22gun+control+after+Sandy+Hook%22" rel="nofollow">books</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22gun+control+after+Sandy+Hook%22" rel="nofollow">scholar</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="http://www.jstor.org/action/doBasicSearch?Query=%22gun+control+after+Sandy+Hook%22&acc=on&wc=on" rel="nofollow">JSTOR</a> <b>·</b> <a class="external text" href="http://www.google.com/images?safe=off&tbm=isch&tbs=sur:fmc&q=%22gun+control+after+Sandy+Hook%22+-site:wikipedia.org+-site:wikimedia.org" rel="nofollow">free images</a></span><br />
--<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 19:47, 12 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<b>Preserve for possible use:</b><br />
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<li><span class="citation news">Bunting, Glenn F. (November 9, 1993). <a class="external text" href="http://articles.latimes.com/1993-11-09/news/mn-54844_1_assault-weapon" rel="nofollow">"Feinstein Faces Fight for Diluted Gun Bill"</a>. <i>Los Angeles Times</i>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AGun+control+after+the+Sandy+Hook+Elementary+School+shooting&rft.atitle=Feinstein+Faces+Fight+for+Diluted+Gun+Bill&rft.au=Bunting%2C+Glenn+F.&rft.aufirst=Glenn+F.&rft.aulast=Bunting&rft.date=November+9%2C+1993&rft.genre=article&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Farticles.latimes.com%2F1993-11-09%2Fnews%2Fmn-54844_1_assault-weapon&rft.jtitle=Los+Angeles+Times&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal"></span></li>
<li><span class="citation news">Eaton, William J. (May 5, 1994). <a class="external text" href="http://articles.latimes.com/1994-05-05/news/mn-54185_1_assault-weapons-ban/2" rel="nofollow">"Ford, Carter, Reagan Push for Gun Ban"</a>. <i>Los Angeles Times</i>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AGun+control+after+the+Sandy+Hook+Elementary+School+shooting&rft.atitle=Ford%2C+Carter%2C+Reagan+Push+for+Gun+Ban&rft.au=Eaton%2C+William+J.&rft.aufirst=William+J.&rft.aulast=Eaton&rft.date=May+5%2C+1994&rft.genre=article&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Farticles.latimes.com%2F1994-05-05%2Fnews%2Fmn-54185_1_assault-weapons-ban%2F2&rft.jtitle=Los+Angeles+Times&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal"></span></li>
<li><span class="citation news">Mohr, Charles (March 15, 1989). <a class="external text" href="http://www.nytimes.com/1989/03/15/us/us-bans-imports-of-assault-rifles-in-shift-by-bush.html" rel="nofollow">"U.S. Bans Imports of Assault Rifles in Shift by Bush"</a>. <i>New York Times</i>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AGun+control+after+the+Sandy+Hook+Elementary+School+shooting&rft.atitle=U.S.+Bans+Imports+of+Assault+Rifles+in+Shift+by+Bush&rft.aufirst=Charles&rft.aulast=Mohr&rft.au=Mohr%2C+Charles&rft.date=March+15%2C+1989&rft.genre=article&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F1989%2F03%2F15%2Fus%2Fus-bans-imports-of-assault-rifles-in-shift-by-bush.html&rft.jtitle=New+York+Times&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal"></span></li>
<li><span class="citation news">Pazniokas, Mark (December 20, 1993). <a class="external text" href="http://articles.courant.com/1993-12-20/news/0000000491_1_gun-control-assault-weapons-assault-weapon-law" rel="nofollow">"One Gun's Journey Into A Crime"</a>. <i>Courant</i> (Hartford, Connecticut).</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AGun+control+after+the+Sandy+Hook+Elementary+School+shooting&rft.atitle=One+Gun%27s+Journey+Into+A+Crime&rft.aufirst=Mark&rft.aulast=Pazniokas&rft.au=Pazniokas%2C+Mark&rft.date=December+20%2C+1993&rft.genre=article&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Farticles.courant.com%2F1993-12-20%2Fnews%2F0000000491_1_gun-control-assault-weapons-assault-weapon-law&rft.jtitle=Courant&rft.place=Hartford%2C+Connecticut&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal"></span></li>
<li><span class="citation news"><a class="external text" href="http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=onk0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=6pYEAAAAIBAJ&dq=assault-weapon&pg=7212%2C4372530" rel="nofollow">"Senate restricts assault weapon imports, production"</a>. <i>The Pittsburgh Press</i>. Associated Press. May 23, 1990. p. A13.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AGun+control+after+the+Sandy+Hook+Elementary+School+shooting&rft.atitle=Senate+restricts+assault+weapon+imports%2C+production&rft.date=May+23%2C+1990&rft.genre=article&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnewspapers%3Fid%3Donk0AAAAIBAJ%26sjid%3D6pYEAAAAIBAJ%26dq%3Dassault-weapon%26pg%3D7212%252C4372530&rft.jtitle=The+Pittsburgh+Press&rft.pages=A13&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal"></span></li>
<li><span class="citation news">Rasky, Susan F. (July 8, 1989). <a class="external text" href="http://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/08/us/import-ban-on-assault-rifles-becomes-permanent.html" rel="nofollow">"Import Ban on Assault Rifles Becomes Permanent"</a>. <i>New York Times</i>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AGun+control+after+the+Sandy+Hook+Elementary+School+shooting&rft.atitle=Import+Ban+on+Assault+Rifles+Becomes+Permanent&rft.aufirst=Susan+F.&rft.aulast=Rasky&rft.au=Rasky%2C+Susan+F.&rft.date=July+8%2C+1989&rft.genre=article&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F1989%2F07%2F08%2Fus%2Fimport-ban-on-assault-rifles-becomes-permanent.html&rft.jtitle=New+York+Times&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal"></span></li>
<li><span class="citation journal">Roth, Jeffrey A.; Koper, Christopher S. (1997). <a class="external text" href="http://www.urban.org/UploadedPDF/aw_final.pdf" rel="nofollow"><i>Impact Evaluation of the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act of 1994</i></a>. Washington, D.C.: The Urban Institute.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AGun+control+after+the+Sandy+Hook+Elementary+School+shooting&rft.aufirst=Jeffrey+A.&rft.au=Koper%2C+Christopher+S.&rft.aulast=Roth&rft.au=Roth%2C+Jeffrey+A.&rft.btitle=Impact+Evaluation+of+the+Public+Safety+and+Recreational+Firearms+Use+Protection+Act+of+1994&rft.date=1997&rft.genre=book&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.urban.org%2FUploadedPDF%2Faw_final.pdf&rft.place=Washington%2C+D.C.&rft.pub=The+Urban+Institute&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></li>
<li><span class="citation journal">Roth, Jeffrey A.; Koper, Christopher S. (1999). <a class="external text" href="https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/173405.pdf" rel="nofollow">"Impacts of the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban"</a>. <i>National Institute of Justice Research in Brief</i> (NCJ 173405).</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AGun+control+after+the+Sandy+Hook+Elementary+School+shooting&rft.atitle=Impacts+of+the+1994+Assault+Weapons+Ban&rft.aufirst=Jeffrey+A.&rft.au=Koper%2C+Christopher+S.&rft.aulast=Roth&rft.au=Roth%2C+Jeffrey+A.&rft.date=1999&rft.genre=article&rft_id=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ncjrs.gov%2Fpdffiles1%2F173405.pdf&rft.issue=NCJ+173405&rft.jtitle=National+Institute+of+Justice+Research+in+Brief&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal"></span></li>
<li><span class="citation news">Seelye, Katharine Q. (July 28, 1994). <a class="external text" href="http://www.nytimes.com/1994/07/28/us/assault-weapons-ban-allowed-to-stay-in-anti-crime-measure.html" rel="nofollow">"Assault Weapons Ban Allowed To Stay in Anti-crime Measure"</a>. <i>New York Times</i>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AGun+control+after+the+Sandy+Hook+Elementary+School+shooting&rft.atitle=Assault+Weapons+Ban+Allowed+To+Stay+in+Anti-crime+Measure&rft.aufirst=Katharine+Q.&rft.aulast=Seelye&rft.au=Seelye%2C+Katharine+Q.&rft.date=July+28%2C+1994&rft.genre=article&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F1994%2F07%2F28%2Fus%2Fassault-weapons-ban-allowed-to-stay-in-anti-crime-measure.html&rft.jtitle=New+York+Times&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal"></span></li>
<li><span class="citation journal">Sugarmann, Josh (January 1994). <a class="external text" href="http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1994/01/reverse-fire" rel="nofollow">"Reverse FIRE: The Brady Bill won't break the sick hold guns have on America. It's time for tougher measures."</a>. <i>Mother Jones</i>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AGun+control+after+the+Sandy+Hook+Elementary+School+shooting&rft.atitle=Reverse+FIRE%3A+The+Brady+Bill+won%27t+break+the+sick+hold+guns+have+on+America.+It%27s+time+for+tougher+measures.&rft.aufirst=Josh&rft.aulast=Sugarmann&rft.au=Sugarmann%2C+Josh&rft.date=January+1994&rft.genre=article&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.motherjones.com%2Fpolitics%2F1994%2F01%2Freverse-fire&rft.jtitle=Mother+Jones&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal"></span> </li>
</ul>
--<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 19:08, 13 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Here's a few more:<br />
<ul>
<li><a class="external free" href="http://money.cnn.com/2014/04/09/news/companies/assault-weapon-sales/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/2014/04/09/news/companies/assault-weapon-sales/index.html</a></li>
<li><a class="external free" href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/100325110" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnbc.com/id/100325110</a></li>
<li><a class="external free" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/sandy-hook-shooting-gun-sales_n_2317522.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/sandy-hook-shooting-gun-sales_n_2317522.html</a></li>
<li><a class="external free" href="http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Connecticut-gun-sales-soar-in-wake-of-Sandy-Hook-4139720.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Connecticut-gun-sales-soar-in-wake-of-Sandy-Hook-4139720.php</a></li>
<li><a class="external free" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2264529/Gun-shops-running-weapons-sales-surge-following-Sandy-Hook-massacre-despite-Obamas-gun-control-speech.html#ixzz2yzjxugTL" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2264529/Gun-shops-running-weapons-sales-surge-following-Sandy-Hook-massacre-despite-Obamas-gun-control-speech.html#ixzz2yzjxugTL</a></li>
</ul>
--<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Searson" title="User:Mike Searson"><b>Mike</b></a> - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Searson" title="User talk:Mike Searson"><b>Μολὼν λαβέ</b></a> 22:10, 15 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<h2>
<span class="mw-headline" id="About_the_lead">About the lead</span></h2>
In case anyone is wondering, I have kept the lead lean for now while I develop the body of the article, in keeping with <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BETTER" title="Wikipedia:BETTER">WP:BETTER</a> advice <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:LEADFOLLOWSBODY" title="Wikipedia:LEADFOLLOWSBODY">WP:LEADFOLLOWSBODY</a>.<br />
I am researching and writing just a few sentences at a time. My plan
is to move this from stub- to start-level by midday on April 15.<br />
--<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 20:37, 13 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<h2>
<span class="mw-headline" id="Sue.2C_please_stop">Sue, please stop</span></h2>
Sue, you seem to be blowing me off on your talk page,<a class="external autonumber" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sue_Rangell#Friendly_request">[1]</a>, and with your edit summaries<a class="external autonumber" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Assault_Weapons_Ban_of_2013&diff=604211444&oldid=604197371">[2]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Assault_Weapons_Ban_of_2013&diff=604213558&oldid=604213306">[3]</a>
so I'm moving the discussion here. Please stop! My requests to you are
reasonable. What prompted this behavior? It makes me anxious.<br />
Also, regarding the same edits. AWB 2013 can't be defunct because it
never became law. It was a bill that didn't make it into law. Also, the
bill wasn't only introduced by Feinstein. She was one of several
legislators who introduced it. PLEASE, give me until midday tomorrow to
finish what I started, and then jump in an re-write it from top to
bottom if that's your wish. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 21:29, 14 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<dl><dd>What is it you want me to stop? Adding citable information to a
Wikipedia article? If you have a specific objection to one of my edits,
please bring it up here on the talk page so people can discuss it. I am
human. I make the occasional mistake. But I am not going to *not* edit
an article simply because it makes you "anxious". If you can't handle an
editor making normal reasonable citable edits, then perhaps you need a
Wikibreak. --<span style="color: white; text-shadow: #ff55ff 0em 0em 0.8em,#55ffff -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#ffff55 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em; white-space: nowrap;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sue_Rangell" title="User:Sue Rangell">Sue Rangell</a> <span style="font-size: 16px;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sue_Rangell" title="User talk:Sue Rangell">✍</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Sue_Rangell" title="Special:EmailUser/Sue Rangell">✉</a></span></span> 21:48, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>All I asked and am asking for is 72 hours - from midday Saturday,
April 12 until midday April 15 - to finish what I started as a stub into
a pretty decent, basic, cited with high-quality sources article. That
is rather in keeping with our other agreement, and no other editor has
felt the need to jump in and start challenging my work before I even had
a chance to finish it. Please stop. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 22:23, 14 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
</dd></dl>
<h2>
<span class="mw-headline" id="This_was_a_failed_piece_of_legislation">This was a failed piece of legislation</span></h2>
The title of this article is troubling as it suggest that there was
some type of ban on so-called assault weapons in 2013. Is a failed piece
of proposed legislation now considered notable?--<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Searson" title="User:Mike Searson"><b>Mike</b></a> - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Searson" title="User talk:Mike Searson"><b>Μολὼν λαβέ</b></a> 18:49, 15 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<dl><dd>Well, it was notable I think, but perhaps this article should be
renamed as it is covering quite a bit more than just that law Something
like <a class="new" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gun_Control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Shooting&action=edit&redlink=1" title="Gun Control after the Sandy Hook Shooting (page does not exist)">Gun Control after the Sandy Hook Shooting</a> or something. Since we are covering the state laws, and Obama's executive orders as well. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 19:16, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</dd><dd>I have <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">WP:BOLDly</a>
renamed the article, and moved the content around a bit to deal with
the expanded scope of the article (that we were already covering)<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 19:29, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>Definitely notable, I think this change is for the better.--<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Searson" title="User:Mike Searson"><b>Mike</b></a> - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Searson" title="User talk:Mike Searson"><b>Μολὼν λαβέ</b></a> 20:23, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
</dd></dl>
I cannot believe you changed the focus, scope, and name of this
article based on a brief exchange between yourself and one other pro-gun
editor. How does one change it back. And then let's have a real
discussion on its notability and name. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 20:28, 15 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<dl><dd>I concur that there should have been more discussion. So, my
suggestion is to remove everything about the state-level legislation if
you insist on referring to the flawed bill that failed on the federal
level. These would be out of scope.--<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Searson" title="User:Mike Searson"><b>Mike</b></a> - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Searson" title="User talk:Mike Searson"><b>Μολὼν λαβέ</b></a> 20:36, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>Oh, gawd, thanks Mike. I didn't object to the questions, but the
speed with which things were decided and changed kinda made my stomach
turn. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 20:47, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
</dd><dd><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a>
Are you really asking editors to slow down, because their edits are
hard to keep up with? You have set a very strong, repeated, precedent in
that area. In any case it was <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">WP:BOLD</a>
and you reverted, so lets discuss. Almost 2/3rds of the article is
talking about something else other than the bill itself. You put 99% of
that content into the article. All of the elements are notable and
should be discussed, and all of the elements discussed have common
threads and relationships between them - but a bill that failed (that
everyone knew before hand would fail) is not really notable on its own.
It was a symbolic gesture as part of the overall push. If you insist
that this article should be about the single bill, then the other points
should be deleted (and then the remainder is likely to be sent to AFD
as <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTNEWS" title="Wikipedia:NOTNEWS">WP:NOTNEWS</a> & <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:10YT" title="Wikipedia:10YT">WP:10YT</a>) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 20:51, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>That first question and comment were a general slap and uncalled-for
and I hope that you'll strike them. If you do, I'll strike this, too.</dd></dl>
</dd></dl>
<dl><dd>
<dl><dd><b>I will take you up on the last suggestion.</b> Yes: I want this
article to be about this bill. That was my goal from the start, and I
believe that everything in this article was directly related to the
bill, how it came about, and when and how it died. However, tell me what
needs to be removed, and I'll do that. Then, go and write your "Gun
control after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting" and feel free
to use anything I used here, if it will help. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 22:58, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
</dd></dl>
<h3>
<span class="mw-headline" id="Why_it.27s_notable_and_its_name_is_fine">Why it's notable and its name is fine</span></h3>
Was the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013 notable? Yes. It passes all the tests under <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GNG" title="Wikipedia:GNG">WP:GNG</a>: Significant coverge (1) by reliable (2) secondary sources (3) independent of the subject (4). Further, it is NOT <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ISNOT" title="Wikipedia:ISNOT">WP:ISNOT</a> - particularly, it is NOT <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:INDISCRIMINATE" title="Wikipedia:INDISCRIMINATE">WP:INDISCRIMINATE</a>. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 21:22, 15 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
As for the suggestion that the topic might be considered recentism,
considering that 10 years have passed since AWB 1994 expired and we're
still hearing, reading, and talking about it, it's a little premature to
say AWB 2013 - which we're still hearing, reading, and talking about -
is 10YT. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 21:22, 15 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
As for its name, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Rights_Amendment" title="Equal Rights Amendment">Equal Rights Amendment</a> failed to pass, but we didn't title that article "The failed Equal Rights Amendment" or "Equal Rights Amendment (failed)". <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States" title="Prohibition in the United States">Prohibition</a> was repealed, but we didn't title that article "The repealed Prohibition Amendment" or "Prohibition (repealed)". <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:UCN" title="Wikipedia:UCN">WP:UCN</a> says that "Assault Weapons Ban of 2013" is the best name for this article - about AWB 2013. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 21:22, 15 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<dl><dd>You may be right. AFD would tell us for sure. But if you are right,
then all of the content not related to the bill should be removed, which
I think you would not support. The 1994 bill was passed, and stayed in
effect for many years. There were articles being written about it for
the entire time (and still now). How many articles have been written
about this bill in the last 6 months? It was a <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ROUTINE" title="Wikipedia:ROUTINE">WP:ROUTINE</a> <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTNEWS" title="Wikipedia:NOTNEWS">WP:NOTNEWS</a> spike. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 21:29, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>Would you please indicate here which of the 39 sources referenced in this article are not about or related to AWB 2013? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 21:45, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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<dl><dd>The ERA is also not a good analogue. Its now been active in the news
from 1923 until 2014 years, with attempted ratification as recent as
February. (Although if any progress is made on that front I would expect
a major constitutional issue, since the amendment had a deadline in its
text). Saying that this bill is as important as those is <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CRYSTAL" title="Wikipedia:CRYSTAL">WP:CRYSTAL</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 21:37, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>Huh? I just read "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball." Where did I say
this bill was as important as those? And how does WP:CRYSTAL fit into
that argument?</dd><dd>All I was commenting on was how they're named... Their article
titles are simply what they're commonly called or referred to. People
don't say and writers don't write, "the never-passed ERA," or "repealed
Prohibition." They just write/say "the ERA" or "Prohibition." There is
not Wikipedia policy that says you should include an amendment, bill, or
law's status in its name; you simple make its status clear in the first
paragraph, or even the first sentence. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 22:48, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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Now that I am looking at this...No. Not notable. In fact this article should be deleted. First of all it wasn't a <b>BAN</b>, it was a <b>BILL</b>,
and it failed quite badly. I will not place a deletion tag on this,
however, because last time I did that, Lightbreather pulled me into ANI.
Someone else will have to do that. --<span style="color: white; text-shadow: #ff55ff 0em 0em 0.8em,#55ffff -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#ffff55 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em; white-space: nowrap;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sue_Rangell" title="User:Sue Rangell">Sue Rangell</a> <span style="font-size: 16px;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sue_Rangell" title="User talk:Sue Rangell">✍</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Sue_Rangell" title="Special:EmailUser/Sue Rangell">✉</a></span></span> 21:32, 15 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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<dl><dd>This failed piece of misguided legislation is not notable in and of
itself. Now, if the article were called "Gun control in the wake of
Sandy Hook" or something similar, I think you might have something. Look
at NY, MD, CO and CT and the laws that passed as well as their
repercussions. Colorado, for example, lost 2 senators to their
legislation specifically because of their bill. Likewise, companies such
as MagPul left the state and took millions in revenue plus employees
with them. The firearms industry saw a surge in gun sales and NICS
checks as a direct result that inflated prices on firearms, ammo and
reloading components. For an unscientific test, call your local sporting
goods retailer and tell them you want to purchase a 50 round box of
22lr ammunition or ask when the next shipment is coming here and brace
yourself for the laughter. On its own, feinstein's bill is nothing more
than a footnote in the history of failed attempts at gun control, but if
Moms Against Guns or whatever other special interest group is rallying
to see it incorporated into a wiki article, they will have to settle for
one on the bigger picture.--<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Searson" title="User:Mike Searson"><b>Mike</b></a> - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Searson" title="User talk:Mike Searson"><b>Μολὼν λαβέ</b></a> 21:43, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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<span class="mw-headline" id="Whoa.21_Time_out.2C_please._Let.27s_build_a_consensus_on_a_few_things.">Whoa! Time out, please. Let's build a consensus on a few things.</span></h2>
Dang, guys! I take my granddaughter to a swimming lesson and lunch,
and when I come home, y'all have changed the focus and scope of the
article, and renamed it to boot. What about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting" title="Reactions to the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting">Reactions to the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting</a>, which the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#Reactions" title="Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting">"Reactions" section</a> already links to? What about the <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapons_ban" title="Assault weapons ban">Assault weapons ban</a> article, which has a <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapons_ban#State_assault_weapon_bans" title="Assault weapons ban">"State assault weapons bans" section</a> waiting for development?<br />
Mike's original question was whether or not the Assault Weapons Ban
of 2013 was notable enough for its own article. Dang, guys. Let's start
with that. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 20:45, 15 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<dl><dd>By itself, no. <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:10YT" title="Wikipedia:10YT">WP:10YT</a>. Legislation that failed is <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTNEWS" title="Wikipedia:NOTNEWS">WP:NOTNEWS</a>.
But I didn't change the focus or scope of the article. All of those
elements were in the article, and put there by you. I organized them to
be coherent as the individual topics that they are, as they are not
really part of the proposed ban. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 20:50, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>I'll be back to join the discussion in a few minutes. I just want to
semi-restore the article to where it was a couple of hours ago, but
keeping most - maybe all - the stuff Gaijin added. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 20:51, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>Don't complain to me about Sue next time... <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 20:53, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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I'm going to ignore that last remark. As for "I didn't change the
focus or scope of the article," the focus and scope sre changed between
when I went to lunch and when I came back.<a class="external autonumber" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Assault_Weapons_Ban_of_2013&diff=604345544&oldid=604323271">[4]</a>
The article is titled "Assault Weapons Ban of 2013." It was outlined
and developed to be about that topic, which is notable enough for its
own article. I only mentioned changes to state laws that were relevant
to AWB 2013, but I did not include details about those laws - a few of
which, yes, created or strengthened existing state laws, but many of
which had nothing to do with assault weapons. Those kinds of details
might go into one or more of these existing articles or article
sections:<br />
<ul>
<li><a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapons_ban#State_assault_weapon_bans" title="Assault weapons ban">Assault_weapons_ban#State_assault_weapon_bans</a></li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state" title="Gun laws in the United States by state">Gun laws in the United States by state</a></li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-capacity_magazine_ban" title="High-capacity magazine ban">High-capacity magazine ban</a></li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instant_Criminal_Background_Check_System" title="National Instant Criminal Background Check System">National Instant Criminal Background Check System</a></li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#Political_responses" title="Reactions to the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting">Reactions_to_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#Political_responses</a></li>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#Gun_control" title="Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting">Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#Gun_control</a></li>
</ul>
--<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 21:40, 15 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
Per consensus I have restored the version by Gaijin42. I would have
restored the name-change as well, but somebody else will need to do
that. LB, please get a handle on your ownership issues. Thanx. --<span style="color: white; text-shadow: #ff55ff 0em 0em 0.8em,#55ffff -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#ffff55 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em; white-space: nowrap;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sue_Rangell" title="User:Sue Rangell">Sue Rangell</a> <span style="font-size: 16px;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sue_Rangell" title="User talk:Sue Rangell">✍</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Sue_Rangell" title="Special:EmailUser/Sue Rangell">✉</a></span></span> 21:43, 15 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<dl><dd>Please say in what way you've determined that there is a consensus. Thanks. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 21:46, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>I say its better. Mike says its better. Sue says its better. LB says its not. <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOTUNANIMITY" title="Wikipedia:NOTUNANIMITY">Wikipedia:NOTUNANIMITY</a> . Consensus can change, but at this time there is consensus for my version, and not consensus for your version.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 21:50, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>CONSENSUS: Every editor of the article wants it to read a certain
way, and only one lone editor does not. EDITWARRING: When that lone
editor ignores consensus and reverts all other versions but her own. --<span style="color: white; text-shadow: #ff55ff 0em 0em 0.8em,#55ffff -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#ffff55 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em; white-space: nowrap;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sue_Rangell" title="User:Sue Rangell">Sue Rangell</a> <span style="font-size: 16px;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sue_Rangell" title="User talk:Sue Rangell">✍</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Sue_Rangell" title="Special:EmailUser/Sue Rangell">✉</a></span></span> 21:53, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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<span class="mw-headline" id="consensus">consensus</span></h2>
You are now at at least 4RR, 2 of them being major reversions, and
are the only editor saying that they prefer your version. I suggest you
stop unilaterally deciding what consensus is before you get blocked.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 21:46, 15 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<dl><dd>Please show the 4RR. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 21:51, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>2 major reverts (obvious?). page title = 3. (Consider yourself
warned). 3rd major revert (self reverted, not counting) - At least one
of your other edits would count (although I think prior to your return
the previous edits were good faith collaboration, which is why I am not
reporting you. ) Up until your return I thought collaboration on the
article was going swimmingly, and the first revert of my <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">WP:BOLD</a> changes fine (if somewhat incongruous with your complaints about others reverting you). <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 22:02, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>Do your completely reorganizing the article and moving it to another
page name count toward anything? If they're not reverts, what are they?
I can't believe that's considered <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CIVIL" title="Wikipedia:CIVIL">WP:CIVIL</a>. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 22:06, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>They are <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">WP:BOLD</a>
and as they were consecutive edits would count as 1RR. If I were to
have re-reverted you, they would certainly count towards my own 3rr. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 22:09, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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<span class="mw-headline" id="Mike.2C_Gaijin.2C_or_Sue_-_Please_start_an_AfD">Mike, Gaijin, or Sue - Please start an AfD</span></h2>
I encourage you to start an AfD... but please be fair and cite WP policy in presenting your reasons. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 21:47, 15 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<dl><dd>I dont think the article should be deleted. I think it should be
talking about gun control after sandy hook, which is a notable topic.
(And is in fact what the article does discuss, even in your prefered
version) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 21:48, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>I am not a deletionist, as I have stated at least three times: I do
not think that a failed bill is notable and as the article is titled it
will lead to the impression that some sort of ban took affect in 2013.
That may be good for the antigun counterculture to get their point of
view ranked in the google searches, but that's about all that this sort
of article would accomplish. I agree with Gaijin42, it could be included
in a broader more informative and much more useful article on gun
control post newtown, both the massive failures and the minor successes
of that movement.--<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Searson" title="User:Mike Searson"><b>Mike</b></a> - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Searson" title="User talk:Mike Searson"><b>Μολὼν λαβέ</b></a> 21:56, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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It might be a better idea to start an ANI due to the 4RR violation. --<span style="color: white; text-shadow: #ff55ff 0em 0em 0.8em,#55ffff -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#ffff55 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em; white-space: nowrap;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sue_Rangell" title="User:Sue Rangell">Sue Rangell</a> <span style="font-size: 16px;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sue_Rangell" title="User talk:Sue Rangell">✍</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Sue_Rangell" title="Special:EmailUser/Sue Rangell">✉</a></span></span> 21:50, 15 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<dl><dd>Please show the 4RR... also, assuming there were four, did I get a 3RR warning? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 21:54, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</dd><dd>There is enough drama on the topic of gun control for now. Im willing to let the extra R slip for now if LB backs away from <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:OWN" title="Wikipedia:OWN">WP:OWN</a> (especially since the alternate version includes ALL of her content, so her objection is really confusing to me) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 21:52, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>I agree completely, but this article needs to be renamed, because as it stands, the name is completely inappropriate. --<span style="color: white; text-shadow: #ff55ff 0em 0em 0.8em,#55ffff -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#ffff55 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em; white-space: nowrap;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sue_Rangell" title="User:Sue Rangell">Sue Rangell</a> <span style="font-size: 16px;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sue_Rangell" title="User talk:Sue Rangell">✍</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Sue_Rangell" title="Special:EmailUser/Sue Rangell">✉</a></span></span> 21:57, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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<dl><dd><small>(edit conflict)</small>Gaijin, as a show of good-faith, would
you please restore the article to where it was before I went to lunch,
so that we may continue discussing this and try to reach a true
consensus, and not Sue's two-or-three-of-us-outnumber-you kind. Maybe we
can start an RfC? (I'm still hoping someone will help me craft two for
the "assault weapon" "high-capacity magazine" question.) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 22:01, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>As a show of good faith why don't you discuss it in the current
state, since ALL of your content is included here, and all I did was
rearrange it since OBama's proposals, and state level actions are not
part of the specific bill. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 22:04, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>For Pete's sake, Gaijin, I didn't have any state-level details in the article - you added them. Nor did I have Obama's <i>executive actions</i> in the article. I had the <i>things he asked Congress to do</i> in the article, which you deleted - and then inserted his executive actions.</dd><dd>When I tried to include the things he asked Congress to do on the Gun politics in the U.S. page, you reverted those TWICE:</dd><dd>Revert 1. <a class="external autonumber" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gun_politics_in_the_United_States&diff=603175340&oldid=603173619">[5]</a> Edit summary: <i>details of legislation that didn't pass don't pass the WP:10YT in an overview article like this.</i></dd><dd>Revert 2. <a class="external autonumber" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gun_politics_in_the_United_States&diff=603201605&oldid=603200794">[6]</a> Edit summary: <i>Discuss
previous law and national discussions in their proper context. stupid
to list failed legislation. We could fill the article with megabytes of
that.</i></dd><dd><b>You even said to me on your talk page: <i>If Obama's proposals need more detail, make a spinoff article....</i></b> <a class="external autonumber" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGaijin42&diff=603238903&oldid=603237475">[7]</a></dd></dl>
</dd><dd>Why don't you write an article called "Gun control after the Sandy
Hook Elementary School shooting"? This could then be the main article
for AWB 2013 portion of that lengthier article.
<dl><dd>--<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 22:32, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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<dl><dd>Im happy to have an RFC on both issues here (the organization, and
title), and if you want, we can craft a mutually acceptable text for the
RFC. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 22:07, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>I think an RFC is an excellent idea. --<span style="color: white; text-shadow: #ff55ff 0em 0em 0.8em,#55ffff -0.8em -0.8em 0.9em,#ffff55 0.7em 0.7em 0.8em; white-space: nowrap;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sue_Rangell" title="User:Sue Rangell">Sue Rangell</a> <span style="font-size: 16px;"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sue_Rangell" title="User talk:Sue Rangell">✍</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/Sue_Rangell" title="Special:EmailUser/Sue Rangell">✉</a></span></span> 22:09, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</dd><dd>I started the AFD--<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Searson" title="User:Mike Searson"><b>Mike</b></a> - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Searson" title="User talk:Mike Searson"><b>Μολὼν λαβέ</b></a> 23:25, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a>
You have attributed several edits to me above. I think you are quite
confused. The Executive actions and legislative proposals were added by
you in these two Diffs. <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting&diff=604178576&oldid=604178336">[8]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting&diff=next&oldid=604179130">[9]</a>
I did not in any way delete, edit, or replace these bullet points or
prose you added, except to break them out into their own section. you
added information about the state law changes in these edits <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting&diff=prev&oldid=604312451">[10]</a> <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting&diff=prev&oldid=604062836">[11]</a>Yes, I did expand that section, to add where gun control was relaxed, but that was clearly needed to provide <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">WP:NPOV</a>
You can't just show one half of the story, especially when the ~twice
(?) as many states relaxed laws as made them more strict. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 03:25, 16 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<dl><dd>The Executive actions comment was a mistake on my part, and I
apologize. However, it is easy to understand. As I showed in Revert 1
and Revert 2 diffs above, on 7 April 2014 on the Gun politics in the
U.S. (GPUS) article you removed, <i>twice</i>, the words "The proposed congressional actions included:" <i>and</i>
the list of proposals the White House made to Congress that followed.
Interestingly, you kept the words "The executive actions included:" and
list of executive <i>orders</i> that President Obama signed... well at
least four of them. Who decided those four items - out of all the
proposals to Congress and executive orders - were the ones to include in
what you call "an overview article"? Who knows.</dd><dd>At any rate, I came back from lunch yesterday to a renamed and reordered article <a class="external autonumber" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting&diff=604343295&oldid=604342918">[12]</a>
with a section titled "Executive actions by President Obama":
"executive actions" are the same words you prefer in the GPUS article,
which you insisted should only list (some) of the executive orders he
signed and none of the White House proposals to Congress.</dd><dd>But again, I apologize for the misunderstanding. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 17:10, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>The scope of the 3 articles is different. In (this) GCatSHESS
article, all of Obamas actions and proposals are in scope imo. In a
hypothetical AWB ban article, only the actions related to the ban would
be in scope. In the sandy hook article, The executive actions are
appropriate (because they were actually implemented) , and a high level
mention of legislative proposals are appropriate, but going into detail
about proposals that didn't go anywhere isn't. That is why I reverted
out the legislative actions, but kept the executive actions. The
selection of which executive actions to break out was made by someone
else - I make no claims as to how those executive actions were chosen.</dd><dd>This is of course just my opinion, subject to the larger consensus,
but I am offering it to you to explain why I may have said one thing in
one place, and something else somewhere else.</dd><dd>In any case, as the full set of actions and proposals was included
in the article you created, that was part of what led me to conclude
that the scope of the article was actually greater than just the AWB,
and therefore the rename was appropriate. Similarly, including state
laws have nothing to do directly with Feinsteins bill. There were
several signals in the article text as you wrote it indicating the wider
scope.I perhaps should have been less <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">WP:BOLD</a>
and waited for some more comment, and I apologize for my rush, but I
stand by my logic and the appropriateness of the rename and reorg. If
you compare the diffs before my first edit, to just before your revert,
the changes are actually quite minor relative to the size of the
article. All the same bits are there, in a different order to separate
what is truly about the AWB, vs parts that are the broader topic. But
the broader stuff was all there before I started (plus my minor
expansion of the state section for more relaxed laws) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 17:48, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>Yes, the broader items were 1. The <i>list</i> of proposals to Congress, which <i>included</i> banning assault weapons and LCMs, and 2. These two brief paragraphs:
<dl><dd><i>After the vote, Feinstein said that Congress' failure to pass the
law would lead a number of states passing their own assault weapons
bans. She vowed to keep trying, and said "I believe the American people
are far ahead of their elected officials on this issue."</i></dd><dd><i>As of April 2014 stricter firearms laws have been passed in seven
states: California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, New
Jersey, and New York.</i></dd></dl>
</dd><dd>...which were meant to wrap-up the article, the name of which
indicated that I had no plans to develop anything further outside of AWB
2013. However, what's done is done. Let's move on. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 20:05, 16 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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<h2>
<span class="mw-headline" id="Background_section:_Mr._LaPierre.27s_speech">Background section: Mr. LaPierre's speech</span></h2>
At present, there is a sizable paragraph at the start of the article
in the "Background" section consisting of extended comments from the
NRA's executive VP from a speech he gave. It's sourced to a transcript
of his direct remarks, hence in effect it is using primary sourcing to
put forth his gun control arguments and commentary at considerable
length. If this material is going to remain in the article, it really
needs to be pared down and relocated to an appropriate location in the
article to avoid the undue weight and coverage it has in it's current
form and location. Regards, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AzureCitizen" title="User:AzureCitizen">AzureCitizen</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AzureCitizen" title="User talk:AzureCitizen">talk</a>) 01:27, 16 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<dl><dd>I'm not sure Id qualify that as "extended" its 3 quotes, all of
which were discussed widely in the media. It should not be an issue to
find <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SECONDARY" title="Wikipedia:SECONDARY">WP:SECONDARY</a> sources for that. As for <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:DUE" title="Wikipedia:DUE">WP:DUE</a>
as this is pretty much the main representation of the gun owners
response to the shooting, its balanced against all of the other gun
control efforts and multiple quotes from Feinstein, Obama, etc. One
paragraph seems appropriate to me. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 01:36, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>The background section has two short sentences mentioning 26 people
got killed in one of the deadliest shootings ever, then more than three
times as much material devoted solely to a high ranking official of the
NRA making politically charged one-sided remarks against gun control
from a speech a week after the public's reaction to the killings. The
material has been cherry picked from a primary transcript to present a
specific POV. If that section instead contained a lengthy selection of
quotes and arguments from Senator Feinstein's views against guns (using a
primary source), it would be equally inappropriate, especially staged
at the front of the article like this. Regards, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AzureCitizen" title="User:AzureCitizen">AzureCitizen</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AzureCitizen" title="User talk:AzureCitizen">talk</a>) 02:18, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>Absolutely fine with moving it out of the lede/background into an
NRA proposal section or something to be at the same level as the other
parties involved. (will <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD" title="Wikipedia:BOLD">WP:BOLDly</a> do now) Regarding "cherry picked" The entire paragraph was written by a pro-control editor <a class="external autonumber" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting&diff=prev&oldid=604187603">[13]</a>,
and All of those bits were well covered in the news at the time, so I
really don't think "cherry pick" is an appropriate way of describing it.
<a class="external autonumber" href="http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2012/12/21/nra-put-armed-police-officers-in-every-single-school/" rel="nofollow">[14]</a> <a class="external autonumber" href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/put-armed-police-officers-in-every-school-nra-head-says/2012/12/21/9ac7d4ae-4b8b-11e2-9a42-d1ce6d0ed278_story.html" rel="nofollow">[15]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/12/house-dems-decry-nras-call-for-armed-cop-in-every-school/" rel="nofollow">[16]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/21/5071525/analysis-putting-armed-police.html" rel="nofollow">[17]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="http://www.post-gazette.com/news/nation/2012/12/21/NRA-solution-to-school-violence-Armed-guards-in-the-halls/stories/201212210257" rel="nofollow">[18]</a><a class="external autonumber" href="http://nation.time.com/2012/12/20/how-to-prevent-more-sandy-hooks-arm-the-school-staff/" rel="nofollow">[19]</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 02:33, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>That's a better location and its context is presented differently
now (as the NRA's interpretation and position rather than the
"background" of the story). Maybe those additional cites should be added
too so that it's really secondary instead of primary sourcing. In any
event, thanks. Regards, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AzureCitizen" title="User:AzureCitizen">AzureCitizen</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AzureCitizen" title="User talk:AzureCitizen">talk</a>) 14:16, 16 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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<h2>
<span class="mw-headline" id="panic_buying">panic buying</span></h2>
The panic buyin is sourced well, but saying the ammo shortage is a
result of the shooting and proposed legislation is a bit much imo. There
are may causes for the shortage, and many more alleged causes for the
shortage (eg massive buys by the govt) so we should not be putting this
all on Newtown's shoulders. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 01:38, 16 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<dl><dd>They share a good portion of the blame, but what the fuck do I know? I only work in this industry.--<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Searson" title="User:Mike Searson"><b>Mike</b></a> - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Searson" title="User talk:Mike Searson"><b>Μολὼν λαβέ</b></a> 05:50, 16 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
<h2>
<span class="mw-headline" id="grandfather_inheritance">grandfather inheritance</span></h2>
I have removed the disputed bit. It was unsourced, and my reading of
s.150 doesn't agree. (p120 seems to say transfers still allowed, just
have to go to a FFL first) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 03:17, 16 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<dl><dd>Removed, who gives a shit what they attempted to do with this failed piece of legislation.--<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Searson" title="User:Mike Searson"><b>Mike</b></a> - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Searson" title="User talk:Mike Searson"><b>Μολὼν λαβέ</b></a> 05:49, 16 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
<h2>
<span class="mw-headline" id="Rename">Rename</span></h2>
"Shooting" is what I do at least twice a week. It is what thousands
of Americans do on hunting trips and excursions to the range. What that
twisted little fuck did in Connecticut was a "massacre". I'm thinking we
should rename this: "Gun control after the Sandy Hook Elementary School
massacre".--<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Searson" title="User:Mike Searson"><b>Mike</b></a> - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Searson" title="User talk:Mike Searson"><b>Μολὼν λαβέ</b></a> 06:42, 16 April 2014 (UTC) <span class="outdent-template" style="color: #aaaaaa; display: block; margin-top: -0.5em;"><span style="display: inline-block; overflow: hidden;">┌</span><span style="display: inline-block; overflow: hidden; width: 15.2em; word-wrap: normal;">────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────</span><span style="display: inline-block; overflow: hidden;">┘</span></span>We
should follow whatever the main article title is. Debate between
Massacre and Shooting has come up many times in that article, but if you
want to propose it again, feel free. IF that article flips over,
certainly no objection to flipping this one to follow. Certainly there
are some good examples where massacre is used in the title (Virginia
Tech, Columbine etc) but also some good counter examples (Aurora
shooting) so I could see it ending up either way. It may be worth a
revisit now that the period of highest emotion/debate is over. There did
not appear to be an overwhelming consensus either way in the discussion
I remember, or could find just now. My guess is that <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME">WP:COMMONNAME</a>
would be the winning argument, so however the best sources continue to
refer to the incident now would seem to be the most appropriate title.
(No idea what more recent sources are using)<br />
<ul>
<li><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting/Archive_1#Requested_Move.2FRe-title:_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_Massacre">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting/Archive_1#Requested_Move.2FRe-title:_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_Massacre</a></li>
<li><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting/Archive_2#Title">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting/Archive_2#Title</a></li>
<li><a class="external free" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting/Archive_2#Requested_move">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting/Archive_2#Requested_move</a>
(saying shooting for now, but likely massacre in the future, and had 4
to 2 support for massacre, so unclear why it wasn't moved.)</li>
</ul>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 14:33, 16 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<ul>
<li><b>Support</b> "Gun control after the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre". <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 17:34, 16 April 2014 (UTC)</li>
<li><b>defer/oppose</b> We should follow the title of the main article.
Propose a move there, and this article should do whatever comes out of
that proposal. (For what its worth, I would likely be neutral/weak
support of a move in that context, unless someone can show that
"shooting" is used by <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a> a lot more than "massacre") (see some data points below maybe pushing me into the weak oppose/neutral camp) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 18:09, 16 April 2014 (UTC)</li>
</ul>
<h3>
<span class="mw-headline" id="Data_points">Data points</span></h3>
Quick and dirty, but these are a starting point towards evaluating <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME">WP:COMMONNAME</a><br />
<ul>
<li><a class="external free" href="http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=Sandy%20hook%20shooting%2C%20%2Fm%2F0p34lth%2C%20newtown%20massacre&cmpt=q" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=Sandy%20hook%20shooting%2C%20%2Fm%2F0p34lth%2C%20newtown%20massacre&cmpt=q</a>
<ul>
<li>Obvious huge lead for "shooting" at the peak of popularity</li>
<li>Lesser but still good lead for "shooting" past 90 days <a class="external free" href="http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=Sandy%20hook%20shooting%2C%20%2Fm%2F0p34lth%2C%20newtown%20massacre%2C%20sandy%20hook%20elementary%20school%20massacre&date=today%203-m&cmpt=q" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=Sandy%20hook%20shooting%2C%20%2Fm%2F0p34lth%2C%20newtown%20massacre%2C%20sandy%20hook%20elementary%20school%20massacre&date=today%203-m&cmpt=q</a></li>
<li>head to head between "SHESS" and "NSM" shooting has a big lead in search, but massacre seems to have more headlines. <a class="external free" href="http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=newtown%20school%20massacre%2C%20%2Fm%2F0p34lth&date=today%2012-m&cmpt=q" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=newtown%20school%20massacre%2C%20%2Fm%2F0p34lth&date=today%2012-m&cmpt=q</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>current gnews -
<ul>
<li>SHESS 9k results</li>
<li>SHESM 5k results</li>
<li>NSM 1.8k</li>
<li>NM 1.8k</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>gbooks
<ul>
<li>SHESS 1.2k</li>
<li>SHESM 963</li>
<li>NSM 400</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>gscholar
<ul>
<li>SHESS - 13.8k</li>
<li>SHESM - 16.7k (interesting data point being the reverse of other stats)</li>
<li>NSM - 2.7k</li>
<li>NM - 2.9k</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 18:09, 16 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<dl><dd>It was the deadliest primary or secondary school shooting, the
second-deadliest mass shooting by a single person and one of the 25
deadliest mass shootings in America and you don't call that a massacre? I
guess the Vietnam war was a limited skirmish that lasted 15 years in
Indochina and Little Big Horn was an Archery Match.--<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Searson" title="User:Mike Searson"><b>Mike</b></a> - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Searson" title="User talk:Mike Searson"><b>Μολὼν λαβέ</b></a> 18:18, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>Do I personally think the word "massacre" is an appropriate
description? Yes. Does wiki policy care about our personal opinions? No.
We have a very long standing policy and backed by a very wide consensus
saying we should use the <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:COMMONNAME" title="Wikipedia:COMMONNAME">WP:COMMONNAME</a> But if you think everyone should be using massacre, go yell at all the <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a>
that aren't using that word. I don't make their editorial decisions. I
merely provided some information that may help people to determine what
that common name is. Frankly some of the statistics above are close
enough (gbooks, gscholar in particular) that a claim that there isn't a
single common name carries some weight. That's up to each editor
to !vote as they think appropriate. You need to back away from the stick
a bit Mike. You have made repeated uncivil comments towards me, and I
am really not sure what I have done to deserve it other than have an
opinion that differs <b>slightly</b> from yours in a few areas. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 18:24, 16 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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<h2>
<span class="mw-headline" id="Compliance_sources">Compliance sources</span></h2>
Re: this edit <a class="external autonumber" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting&diff=604322707&oldid=604319834">[20]</a> five source for this statement is <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:OVERKILL" title="Wikipedia:OVERKILL">WP:OVERKILL</a>. Can someone pick two or three of the best, or shall I? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 17:34, 16 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<h2>
<span class="mw-headline" id="Gun_control_after_or_Gun_laws_after">Gun control after or Gun laws after</span></h2>
The title is "Gun control after..." but there seems to be some
intention to develop material on proposals and laws that weakened gun
control - or strengthened gun rights, if you will. Therefore, perhaps
the name should be "Gun laws after..."? Just wondering. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 17:38, 16 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<dl><dd>Relaxing gun control laws is still under the umbrella of gun control
imo, but I am not strongly opposed to saying "Gun laws" or something
else. (Although as the NRA proposals are not strictly control nor laws,
it may be difficult to find a term that truly encompasses everything).
Perhaps "Gun politics after..." ? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 17:52, 16 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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<span class="mw-headline" id="So_how_much_time_does_this_article_cover.3F">So how much time does this article cover?</span></h2>
"Gun control after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting" has a
clear start date, but what's its end date? Six months after? The end of
2013? Just wondering. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 18:04, 16 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<dl><dd>I would say it is ongoing, as long as the antis want to dance in the
blood of dead children and draft meaningless legislation that would not
have saved one life had it been in place at the time of the massacre.
Just one man's opinion.--<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Searson" title="User:Mike Searson"><b>Mike</b></a> - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Searson" title="User talk:Mike Searson"><b>Μολὼν λαβέ</b></a> 18:07, 16 April 2014 (UTC)</dd><dd>I don't think its strictly a time limit, inclusion should be based
on either the proponents of a certain law, or preferably reliable
sources linking the item to Newtown (in more than just a chronological
way). Practically speaking that's probably something in the year range I
would think, but there are some current proposals for things like
having the ATF change import rules that might be linked if they gain
traction. We could avoid the time based <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:OR" title="Wikipedia:OR">WP:OR</a>
by renaming to something like "As a result of" or "GC responses to" or
something which would make the RS linkage requirement more explicit.
Likely the next major round of GC pushes won't happen unless/until the
next major incident, (or a major political swing), which may mark the
end of the "Sandy Hook era" more firmly. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 18:15, 16 April 2014 (UTC)</dd><dd>IMO, it's yet another indication of why it should be deleted. --<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Scalhotrod" title="User:Scalhotrod">Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy...</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Scalhotrod" title="User talk:Scalhotrod">talk</a>) 04:21, 28 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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<span class="mw-headline" id="sections_for_each_state">sections for each state</span></h2>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> I am concerned about creating sections for each state as it may make the article <b>very</b> long, and relative to the topic as a whole would cause a <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WEIGHT" title="Wikipedia:WEIGHT">WP:WEIGHT</a> issue.<br />
Each state already has an article where detailed information about that states gun laws is addressed eg <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Connecticut" title="Gun laws in Connecticut">Gun laws in Connecticut</a>
(Though some may need to be expanded). Having 20 odd state sections is
going to be overwhelming. Frankly the top level state section is enough
IMO, but if we want to go into each state, it should almost be a one or
two liner list (Expanded assault weapon ban) etc. I did create the
connecticut section, but I think that is an exception, as that is the
location where Sandy Hook took place, so is the most directly relevant,
but if they all need to be the same, I would not object to dropping it. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 21:35, 16 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<dl><dd>I wasn't planning on adding a section for each state, but the ones
who acted before Connecticut and before Congress are certainly weighty
enough. I thought you wanted this to be the broader article for things
related to gun control that happened after the Sandy Hook Elementary
School shooting, or did I misunderstand your actions of yesterday? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 21:45, 16 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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<span class="mw-headline" id="Sources_2">Sources</span></h2>
This source<br />
<dl><dd>"<span class="citation news">Kucinich, Jackie (January 24, 2013). <a class="external text" href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/01/24/assault-weapons-ban-feinstein-democrats/1861493/" rel="nofollow">"Democrats reintroduce assault weapons ban"</a>. <i>USA Today</i><span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved April 13, 2014</span>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AGun+control+after+the+Sandy+Hook+Elementary+School+shooting&rft.atitle=Democrats+reintroduce+assault+weapons+ban&rft.aufirst=Jackie&rft.au=Kucinich%2C+Jackie&rft.aulast=Kucinich&rft.date=January+24%2C+2013&rft.genre=article&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2F2013%2F01%2F24%2Fassault-weapons-ban-feinstein-democrats%2F1861493%2F&rft.jtitle=USA+Today&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal"></span>"</dd></dl>
has been removed twice <a class="external autonumber" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting&diff=604540847&oldid=604528719">[21]</a> <a class="external autonumber" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting&diff=604545134&oldid=604544711">[22]</a>
now by one editor who first called it "weak" and the reporter "biased,"
and with the second deletion gave no edit summary, though he changed
the wording around and added his preferred sources.<br />
<dl><dd>"<span class="citation news">STEINHAUER, JENNIFER. <a class="external text" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/20/us/politics/senate-gun-bill-will-exclude-assault-weapons-ban.html?_r=0" rel="nofollow">"Senator Is Angry Over Bill’s Exclusion of Assault Gun Ban"</a>. New York Times.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AGun+control+after+the+Sandy+Hook+Elementary+School+shooting&rft.aufirst=JENNIFER&rft.aulast=STEINHAUER&rft.au=STEINHAUER%2C+JENNIFER&rft.btitle=Senator+Is+Angry+Over+Bill%E2%80%99s+Exclusion+of+Assault+Gun+Ban&rft.genre=book&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2013%2F03%2F20%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2Fsenate-gun-bill-will-exclude-assault-weapons-ban.html%3F_r%3D0&rft.pub=New+York+Times&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span>"</dd><dd>"<a class="external free" href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/14/senate-committee-ready-to-ok-assault-weapons-ban/" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/14/senate-committee-ready-to-ok-assault-weapons-ban/</a>"</dd><dd>"<a class="external free" href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/01/23/feinstein-assault-weapons-ban/1856613/" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/01/23/feinstein-assault-weapons-ban/1856613/</a>"</dd></dl>
I don't mind adding a few additional sources if they're decent
quality, but there is no good reason to remove the one I used
originally. I'm off to the dentist, but when I get back, I'd like to
resolve this problem, civilly. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 15:52, 17 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<dl><dd>I don't see a problem with your original source. <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NPOV" title="Wikipedia:NPOV">WP:NPOV</a> is a requirement for the wiki, not sources. USA today passes <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RS" title="Wikipedia:RS">WP:RS</a>
by any reasonable margin, and was being used to source an
uncontroversial fact. (By that I mean that there is no dispute that the
law said what it said, not that the law itself isn't controversial). -
That the source may also include editorializing, opinion by the author,
and pathos is an issue for their editorial board - as long as we don't
migrate that into our article there is no issue. On the other hand, the
other sources back it equally as well, so I don't see a big reason to
fight over the sources. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 16:53, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>My problem is that Kucinch's family fortune came from anti-gun
donations to her father. I don't trust her as being objective. The NY
Times is not exactly a bastion of 2nd Amendment Support, so I figured a
reasonable person would not object. That last part was probably an error
on my part.--<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Searson" title="User:Mike Searson"><b>Mike</b></a> - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mike_Searson" title="User talk:Mike Searson"><b>Μολὼν λαβέ</b></a> 22:33, 17 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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<span class="mw-headline" id="Why_two_primaries_over_one_secondary_and_1_or_2_primaries.3F_From_a_WP_policy_pov.2C_which_is_an_improvement_over_the_other.3F">Why two primaries over one secondary and 1 or 2 primaries? From a WP policy pov, which is an improvement over the other?</span></h2>
Why do some editors insist on presenting material this way. From
primary sources... one month before the bill was introduced... and the
introduced bill did not include these two ideas from early discussion.
If I kept pushing something pro-control in this fashion, I'd get
railroaded.<br />
<dl><dd>Feinstein wanted the grandfathered firearms registered under the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act" title="National Firearms Act">National Firearms Act</a>, which currently registers <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machinegun" title="Machinegun">machineguns</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silencer" title="Silencer">silencers</a> and <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_barreled_shotgun" title="Short barreled shotgun">short barreled shotguns</a>.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Summary121226_1-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Summary121226-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a></sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-2"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-2"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a></sup></dd></dl>
Also, why do some editors NOT want the NRAILA source "Stop The Gun
Ban"? Doesn't it support the arguments? And it's NOT a primary source?<br />
<dl><dd>According to the NRA Institute for Legislative Action, a December
draft of the bill would have required current owners of assault weapons
to register them with the federal government under the National Firearms
Act, and required forfeiture of the firearms upon the deaths of their
current owners.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-NRAILAStopTheGunBan_3-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-NRAILAStopTheGunBan-3"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a></sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Summary121226_1-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Summary121226-1"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a></sup></dd></dl>
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<li id="cite_note-Summary121226-1"> <span class="reference-text"><span class="citation web">Author unknown (December 26, 2012). <a class="external text" href="http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/files/serve/?File_id=10993387-5d4d-4680-a872-ac8ca4359119" rel="nofollow">"Summary of 2013 Feinstein Assault Weapons Legislation"</a>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AGun+control+after+the+Sandy+Hook+Elementary+School+shooting&rft.au=Author+unknown&rft.aulast=Author+unknown&rft.btitle=Summary+of+2013+Feinstein+Assault+Weapons+Legislation&rft.date=December+26%2C+2012&rft.genre=book&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.feinstein.senate.gov%2Fpublic%2Findex.cfm%2Ffiles%2Fserve%2F%3FFile_id%3D10993387-5d4d-4680-a872-ac8ca4359119&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span> Two-page summary of bill points from four weeks before it was introduced to Senate. Unpublished.</span></li>
<li id="cite_note-2"> <span class="reference-text"><a class="external free" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1iYl0coIOY" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1iYl0coIOY</a></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-NRAILAStopTheGunBan-3"> <span class="reference-text"><span class="citation web"><a class="external text" href="http://www.nraila.org/legislation/federal-legislation/2013/stop-the-gun-ban.aspx" rel="nofollow">"NRA-ILA:Stop The Gun Ban"</a>. <i>nraila.org</i>. NRA Institute for Legislative Action. January 2013<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved April 14, 2014</span>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3ATalk%3AGun+control+after+the+Sandy+Hook+Elementary+School+shooting&rft.atitle=NRA-ILA%3AStop+The+Gun+Ban&rft.date=January+2013&rft.genre=article&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nraila.org%2Flegislation%2Ffederal-legislation%2F2013%2Fstop-the-gun-ban.aspx&rft.jtitle=nraila.org&rft.pub=NRA+Institute+for+Legislative+Action&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal"></span> </span></li>
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How is the bottom version NOT an improvement over the top one? <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lightbreather" title="User:Lightbreather">Lightbreather</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Lightbreather" title="User talk:Lightbreather">talk</a>) 16:08, 18 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
<dl><dd>Because the second one is saying effectively "The NRA claims", when
it is an objective fact that she said multiple times, that she wanted
the registered. We do not need to put that in the NRAs voice. It is more
than adequately sourced for Wiki's voice. <b>this discussion</b> is why we need multiple sources. We wouldn't need to <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:OVERCITE" title="Wikipedia:OVERCITE">WP:OVERCITE</a> if people didn't try to remove everything they disagree with.</dd></dl>
<dl><dd>This article is talking about the entire path of the push, from the
polls, to the president, the the proposals, to the bill , to the votes.
This is just as valid as a data point as every other point along a path
that led to a failed effort to renew the ban. In the end, nothing was
passed, so picking one hypothetical set of requirements over a different
hypothetical set of requirements is a boondoggle. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 16:17, 18 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
<dl><dd>BTW, in <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARY" title="Wikipedia:PRIMARY">WP:PRIMARY</a>
its pretty explicit that primary sources are perfectly acceptable if
used correctly. In particular for this situation, "Unless restricted by
another policy, primary sources that have been reliably published may be
used in Wikipedia [...] A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia
to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be
verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but
without further, specialized knowledge" which is clearly the case here.
We are not making any interpretation or analysis. We are almost quoting
her verbatim. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 16:36, 18 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary
sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary
sources.<br />
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<dl><dd>— <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Goethean" title="User:Goethean">goethean</a> 17:43, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
<dl><dd>I didn't miss it. "To a lesser extent" does not mean "don't use". We
have MANY secondary sources in this article. (including the one LB
wants to use on this particular data point). These few are not going to
break the camel's back. My primary objection was the <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ATTRIBUTEPOV" title="Wikipedia:ATTRIBUTEPOV">WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV</a> wording, not the source. This is an objective fact. No reason to say "The NRA says". <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 17:48, 18 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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<dl><dd>The primary sources currently being used (one of which is a youtube
video?!) should be replaced with secondary sources. If secondary sources
do not exist, then that indicates an issue with the material being
presented. — <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Goethean" title="User:Goethean">goethean</a> 17:59, 18 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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The "youtube video" is an interview with a national news
organization. The interview can be cited directly without involving
Youtube if you insist.<br />
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<li><a class="external free" href="http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/274891-sen-feinstein-america-has-to-bite-the-bullet-and-enact-new-gun-control-measures" rel="nofollow">http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/274891-sen-feinstein-america-has-to-bite-the-bullet-and-enact-new-gun-control-measures</a></li>
<li><a class="external free" href="http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-sunday-chris-wallace/2012/12/30/sens-feinstein-graham-talk-chances-fiscal-cliff-deal#p//v/2064118248001" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/fox-news-sunday-chris-wallace/2012/12/30/sens-feinstein-graham-talk-chances-fiscal-cliff-deal#p//v/2064118248001</a></li>
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 18:19, 18 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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<dl><dd>You may add those sources, but I will not, as I don't consider them to be reliable. — <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Goethean" title="User:Goethean">goethean</a> 18:57, 18 April 2014 (UTC)</dd></dl>
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<span class="mw-headline" id="atf_director_sources">atf director sources</span></h2>
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<li><a class="external free" href="http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/b-todd-jones-atf-nomination-senate-94054.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/b-todd-jones-atf-nomination-senate-94054.html</a></li>
<li><a class="external free" href="http://www.pbs.org/newshour/pressrelease/exclusive-atf-director-b-todd-jones-speaks-with-pbs-newshour-s-judy-woodruff/" rel="nofollow">http://www.pbs.org/newshour/pressrelease/exclusive-atf-director-b-todd-jones-speaks-with-pbs-newshour-s-judy-woodruff/</a></li>
<li><a class="external free" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/11/b-todd-jones-obama-_n_3420653.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/11/b-todd-jones-obama-_n_3420653.html</a></li>
<li><a class="external free" href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/08/01/after_7_years_senate_confirms_atf_director_119460.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/08/01/after_7_years_senate_confirms_atf_director_119460.html</a></li>
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Numerous more are available. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Gaijin42" title="User:Gaijin42">Gaijin42</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gaijin42" title="User talk:Gaijin42">talk</a>) 02:23, 28 April 2014 (UTC)<br />
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<b>Gun control after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting</b> refers to a series of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation" title="Overview of gun laws by nation">gun laws</a> proposed in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States" title="United States">United States</a> at the federal and state levels after the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting" title="Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting">Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting</a>. The shooting renewed debate about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control" title="Gun control">gun control</a>. The debates focused on requiring <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instant_Criminal_Background_Check_System" title="National Instant Criminal Background Check System">background checks</a> on all firearm sales (called universal background checks), and on passing new and expanded <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon" title="Assault weapon">assault weapon</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-capacity_magazine_ban" title="High-capacity magazine ban">high-capacity magazine bans</a>.</div>
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<h2>
<span class="mw-headline" id="Background">Background</span></h2>
On December 12, 2012, twenty children and six adults were killed at <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School" title="Sandy Hook Elementary School">Sandy Hook Elementary School</a> in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newtown,_Connecticut" title="Newtown, Connecticut">Newtown, Connecticut</a>.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Barron121215_1-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Barron121215-1">[1]</a></sup> It was the deadliest primary or secondary <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting" title="School shooting">school shooting</a>,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Effron121214_2-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Effron121214-2">[2]</a></sup> the second-deadliest <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shooting" title="Mass shooting">mass shooting</a> by a single person,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Candiotti-Ford121216_3-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Candiotti-Ford121216-3">[3]</a></sup> and one of the deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-CNNLib131026_4-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-CNNLib131026-4">[4]</a></sup><br />
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<span class="mw-headline" id="Initial_response">Initial response</span></h2>
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Main article: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting" title="Reactions to the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting">Reactions to the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting</a></div>
Within hours of the shooting, a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_the_People_%28petitioning_system%29" title="We the People (petitioning system)">We the People</a> user started a petition asking the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House" title="White House">White House</a> to "immediately address the issue of gun control through the introduction of legislation in Congress."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Bruce121214_5-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Bruce121214-5">[5]</a></sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Wing121217_6-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Wing121217-6">[6]</a></sup> That afternoon, President <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama" title="Barack Obama">Barack Obama</a> made a televised statement offering condolences on behalf of the nation to Connecticut governor, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dannel_Malloy" title="Dannel Malloy">Dannel Malloy</a>
and saying, "we're going to have to come together and take meaningful
action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-ObamaStmt121214_7-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-ObamaStmt121214-7">[7]</a></sup>
Speaking at a December 16 memorial service in Newtown, Obama said he
would "use whatever power this office holds" to prevent similar
tragedies.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Landler-Baker121217_8-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Landler-Baker121217-8">[8]</a></sup> By December 17, the White House petition had more than 150,000 signatures,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Wing121217_6-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Wing121217-6">[6]</a></sup> and one week after the shooting it had almost 200,000, along with those on 30 similar petitions.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Levy121221_9-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Levy121221-9">[9]</a></sup><br />
A <i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_Today" title="USA Today">USA Today</a></i>/<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallup_%28company%29" title="Gallup (company)">Gallup</a> poll conducted days after the shooting showed "mixed results" regarding public opinion on firearm laws.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Madhani121226_10-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Madhani121226-10">[10]</a></sup>
While public support for strengthening gun laws rose 15 percent
compared to a similar poll in 2011, there had been "little change in
attitudes about some longstanding proposals, including the outlawing of
assault rifles." A law requiring background checks for all gun-show
sales was favored by 92 percent of Americans and a law banning the sale
and possession of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-capacity_magazine" title="High-capacity magazine">high-capacity magazines</a>
(defined by the poll as those capable of holding more than 10 rounds)
was supported by 62 percent of Americans. A record-high 74 percent
opposed a ban on handguns and 51 percent opposed banning assault
weapons.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Saad121227_11-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Saad121227-11">[11]</a></sup><br />
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<span class="mw-headline" id="White_House_actions">White House actions</span></h2>
On December 19, 2012, Obama announced the formation of an interagency gun-violence task force headed by Vice President <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden" title="Joe Biden">Joe Biden</a>.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-ABCNews121219_12-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-ABCNews121219-12">[12]</a></sup> The task force held 22 meetings and collected ideas from 229 organizations.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Rucker-Wallsten130119_13-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Rucker-Wallsten130119-13">[13]</a></sup><br />
The NRA and congressional Republicans said that violent video games
were a large part of the problem, but those did not end up on the final
list of recommendations.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Rucker-Wallsten130119_13-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Rucker-Wallsten130119-13">[13]</a></sup>
After meeting with Biden, the NRA issued a statement saying that it was
"disappointed with how little this meeting had to do with keeping our
children safe and how much it had to do with an agenda to attack the
Second Amendment."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Madhani130110_14-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Madhani130110-14">[14]</a></sup><br />
On January 16, 2013, Obama announced a plan for reducing gun violence
in four parts: closing background check loopholes; banning assault
weapons and high-capacity magazines; making schools safer; and
increasing access to mental health services.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-WHNow-site_15-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-WHNow-site-15">[15]</a></sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-WHNow-full_16-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-WHNow-full-16">[16]</a></sup><sup class="reference" style="white-space: nowrap;">:2</sup> The plan included 23 executive orders, signed immediately by the president, and 12 proposals for Congress.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-MacAskill-Pilkington_17-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-MacAskill-Pilkington-17">[17]</a></sup><br />
The executive orders signed by Obama were these:<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-NYT-WHProposal130116_18-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-NYT-WHProposal130116-18">[18]</a></sup><br />
<ul>
<li>Issuing a presidential memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instant_Criminal_Background_Check_System" title="National Instant Criminal Background Check System">National Instant Criminal Background Check System</a> (NICS).</li>
<li>Addressing unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_Insurance_Portability_and_Accountability_Act" title="Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act">Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act</a> (HIPAA), that may prevent states from making information available to NICS.</li>
<li>Improving incentives for states to share information with NICS.</li>
<li>Directing the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Attorney_General" title="United States Attorney General">attorney general</a>
to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to
make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.</li>
<li>Proposing a rule making to give law enforcement authorities the
ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning
a seized gun.</li>
<li>Publishing a letter from the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Alcohol,_Tobacco,_Firearms_and_Explosives" title="Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives">Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives</a> (ATF) to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.</li>
<li>Starting a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.</li>
<li>Reviewing safety standards for gun <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigger_lock#Locks" title="Trigger lock">locks</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_safe" title="Gun safe">gun safes</a> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Consumer_Product_Safety_Commission" title="U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission">Consumer Product Safety Commission</a>).</li>
<li>Issuing a presidential memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.</li>
<li>Releasing a report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and making it widely available to law enforcement authorities.</li>
<li>Nominating an ATF director.</li>
<li>Providing law enforcement authorities, first responders and school officials with proper training for armed attacks situations.</li>
<li>Maximizing enforcement efforts to prevent <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence" title="Gun violence">gun violence</a> and prosecute gun crime.</li>
<li>Issuing a presidential memorandum directing the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centers_for_Disease_Control_and_Prevention" title="Centers for Disease Control and Prevention">Centers for Disease Control and Prevention</a> (CDC) to research gun violence.</li>
<li>Directing the attorney general to issue a report on the availability
and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenging
the private sector to develop innovative technologies.</li>
<li>Clarify that the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act" title="Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act">Affordable Care Act</a> (ACA) does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.</li>
<li>Releasing a letter to health care providers clarifying that no
federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law
enforcement authorities.</li>
<li>Providing incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.</li>
<li>Developing model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship, and institutions of higher education.</li>
<li>Releasing a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid" title="Medicaid">Medicaid</a> plans must cover.</li>
<li>Finalizing regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within insurance exchanges.</li>
<li>Committing to finalizing <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_Health_Parity_Act" title="Mental Health Parity Act">mental health parity</a> regulations.</li>
<li>Starting a national dialogue on mental health led by Kathleen
Sebelius, the secretary of health and human services, and Arne Duncan,
the secretary of education.</li>
</ul>
The White House's proposed congressional actions were these:<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-NYT-WHProposal130116_18-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-NYT-WHProposal130116-18">[18]</a></sup><br />
<ul>
<li>Requiring criminal background checks for all gun sales, including those by private sellers that currently are exempt.</li>
<li>Reinstating and strengthening the federal <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban" title="Federal Assault Weapons Ban">Assault Weapons Ban</a> of 1994 (AWB 1994) that expired in 2004.</li>
<li>Limiting ammunition magazines to 10 rounds.</li>
<li>Banning the possession of armor-piercing bullets by anyone other than members of the military and law enforcement.</li>
<li>Increasing criminal penalties for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_purchase" title="Straw purchase">"straw purchasers"</a> who pass the required background check to buy a gun on behalf of someone else.</li>
<li>Acting on a $4 billion administration proposal to help keep 15,000 police officers on the street.</li>
<li>Confirming President Obama's nominee for director of the (ATF).</li>
<li>Eliminating a restriction that requires the ATF to allow the importation of weapons that are more than 50 years old.</li>
<li>Financing programs to train more police officers, first responders
and school officials on how to respond to active armed attacks.</li>
<li>Provide additional $20 million to help expand the system that tracks
violent deaths across the nation from 18 states to 50 states.</li>
<li>Providing $30 million in grants to states to help schools develop emergency response plans.</li>
<li>Providing financing to expand mental health programs for young people.</li>
</ul>
The proposals were opposed by the NRA and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Shooting_Sports_Foundation" title="National Shooting Sports Foundation">National Shooting Sports Foundation</a> (NSSF),<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Horwitz130116_19-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Horwitz130116-19">[19]</a></sup> and opposition was expected by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_%28United_States%29" title="Republican Party (United States)">Republican</a> and some <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29" title="Democratic Party (United States)">Democrat</a> legislators.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-MacAskill-Pilkington_17-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-MacAskill-Pilkington-17">[17]</a></sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-WSJ130116_20-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-WSJ130116-20">[20]</a></sup><br />
<h2>
<span class="mw-headline" id="National_Rifle_Association_proposal">National Rifle Association proposal</span></h2>
On December 21, 2012 - between the formation of Biden's task force and the announcement of Obama's proposals - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_LaPierre" title="Wayne LaPierre">Wayne LaPierre</a>, executive vice president of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Rifle_Association" title="National Rifle Association">National Rifle Association</a> (NRA), expressed the gun-rights group's sympathy for the families of Newtown. LaPierre said that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act_of_1990" title="Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990">gun-free school zones</a>
attract killers, and that "the media demonize lawful gun owners,
amplify their cries for more laws, and fill the national media with
misinformation and dishonest thinking that only delay meaningful
action." He said, "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a
good guy with a gun," and that debating legislation that won't work
would be a waste of time. He called on Congress "to act immediately to
appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every
single school in this nation" so that every school in America would be
safe when pupils returned to school in January 2013. LaPierre announced
that the NRA would develop a National Model School Shield Program for
every American school that wants it.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-LaPierre121221_21-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-LaPierre121221-21">[21]</a></sup><br />
<h2>
<span class="mw-headline" id="Congressional_action">Congressional action</span></h2>
<h3>
<span class="mw-headline" id="Proposed_assault_weapons_ban">Proposed assault weapons ban</span></h3>
<div class="hatnote relarticle mainarticle">
Main article: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_Weapons_Ban_of_2013" title="Assault Weapons Ban of 2013">Assault Weapons Ban of 2013</a></div>
On January 24, 2013, Senator <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Feinstein" title="Diane Feinstein">Diane Feinstein</a> and 24 Democrat cosponsors introduced <a class="external text" href="http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.uscongress/legislation.113s150" rel="nofollow">S. 150</a>, the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013 (AWB 2013).<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-CSPAN130124_22-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-CSPAN130124-22">[22]</a></sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Freedman130124_23-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Freedman130124-23">[23]</a></sup>
It was similar to the expired 1994 federal ban, but differed in that it
used a one-feature test for a firearm to be considered an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon" title="Assault weapon">assault weapon</a>, rather than the two-feature test of the 1994 ban.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Kucinich130124_24-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Kucinich130124-24">[24]</a></sup> Gun-control advocates said the stricter test would make the weapons less appealing to gun enthusiasts.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Freedman130124_23-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Freedman130124-23">[23]</a></sup> In addition, it would have banned: the sale, transfer, importation or manufacture of about 150 named firearms; firearms with "<a class="new" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thumbhole_stock&action=edit&redlink=1" title="Thumbhole stock (page does not exist)">thumbhole stocks</a>" and "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_button" title="Bullet button">bullet buttons</a>";
the importation of assault weapons and large-capacity magazines; and
large-capacity ammunition feeding devices (defined as those capable of
holding more than 10 rounds).<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Kucinich130124_24-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Kucinich130124-24">[24]</a></sup>
It would have grandfathered in weapons legally owned on the day of
enactment and exempted 2,258 specific firearms "used for hunting or
sporting purposes", of which only 33 were semiautomatic centerfire
rifles.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Kucinich130124_24-2"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Kucinich130124-24">[24]</a></sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Chebium130124_25-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Chebium130124-25">[25]</a></sup><br />
Feinstein wanted the grandfathered firearms registered under the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act" title="National Firearms Act">National Firearms Act</a>, which currently registers <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machinegun" title="Machinegun">machineguns</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silencer" title="Silencer">silencers</a> and <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_barreled_shotgun" title="Short barreled shotgun">short barreled shotguns</a>.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Summary121226_26-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Summary121226-26">[26]</a></sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-27"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-27">[27]</a></sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-28"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-28">[28]</a></sup><br />
On March 14, 2013, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Committee_on_the_Judiciary" title="United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary">Senate Judiciary Committee</a> approved the bill, even though it was expected not to clear the full Senate.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Steinhauer130314_29-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Steinhauer130314-29">[29]</a></sup> Had the bill passed in the Senate, it was not expected to pass in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives" title="United States House of Representatives">House of Representatives</a>.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-FoxNews130314_30-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-FoxNews130314-30">[30]</a></sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Kucinich130124_24-3"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Kucinich130124-24">[24]</a></sup> On March 14, 2013, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Committee_on_the_Judiciary" title="United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary">Senate Judiciary Committee</a> approved the bill, even though it was expected not to clear the full Senate.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Steinhauer130314_29-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Steinhauer130314-29">[29]</a></sup> Senate Majority Leader <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Reid" title="Harry Reid">Harry Reid</a>
decided to leave the proposed ban out of the broader gun control bill,
saying that it was unlikely to win 40 votes in the 100-member chamber
and that it would jeopardize more widely supported proposals.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Simon130417_31-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Simon130417-31">[31]</a></sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Warren130417_32-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Warren130417-32">[32]</a></sup>
On the morning of April 17, 2013, the bill failed on a vote of 60 to
40. It was supported by Democrat Reid and Republican Senator <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Kirk" title="Mark Kirk">Mark Kirk</a>, but 15 Democrats, one <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_%28politician%29" title="Independent (politician)">independent</a>, and all the Republicans except Kirk voted against the ban.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Simon130417_31-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Simon130417-31">[31]</a></sup><br />
<h3>
<span class="mw-headline" id="Proposed_universal_background_checks">Proposed universal background checks</span></h3>
The Manchin-Toomey Amendment was a bi-partisan piece of legislation sponsored by <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Manchin" title="Joe Manchin">Joe Manchin</a>, a Democrat, and Republican Sen. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Toomey" title="Pat Toomey">Pat Toomey</a> that would require background checks on most private party firearm sales.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-LengellWashTimes04242013_33-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-LengellWashTimes04242013-33">[33]</a></sup>
The bill known as Manchin Amendment No. 715 was voted on and defeated
on April 17, 2013 by a vote of 54 - 46 because in order to pass it
needed 60.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-KorteCamia130417_34-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-KorteCamia130417-34">[34]</a></sup><br />
<h2>
<span class="mw-headline" id="State_actions">State actions</span></h2>
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See also: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state" title="Gun laws in the United States by state">Gun laws in the United States by state</a> and <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapons_ban#State_assault_weapon_bans" title="Assault weapons ban">Assault weapons ban § State assault weapon bans</a></div>
As of April 3, 2013, only five states had passed stricter gun control
laws, while ten states had passed laws that weakened restrictions on
firearms.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Hartmann130403_35-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Hartmann130403-35">[35]</a></sup><br />
<h3>
<span class="mw-headline" id="Connecticut">Connecticut</span></h3>
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In the early morning hours of April 4, 2013, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut_General_Assembly" title="Connecticut General Assembly">Connecticut General Assembly</a> passed new restrictions to the state's existing assault weapons ban. Governor <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dannel_Malloy" title="Dannel Malloy">Dannel Malloy</a> signed them into law later the same day.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-36"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-36">[36]</a></sup> The law banned the sale or purchase of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-capacity_magazine#Capacity" title="High-capacity magazine">magazines capable of holding more than ten rounds of ammunition</a>
like those used in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, and
required universal background checks for all firearm purchases.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-37"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-37">[37]</a></sup><br />
Gun owners challenged the law, but federal judge <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Covello" title="Alfred Covello">Alfred Covello</a>
upheld the law, ruling it constitutional and writing, "While the act
burdens the plaintiffs' Second Amendment rights, it is substantially
related to the important governmental interest of public safety and
crime control." Gun owners said they would appeal.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-38"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-38">[38]</a></sup><br />
In February 2014, the <i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartford_Courant" title="Hartford Courant">Hartford Courant</a></i>
reported that Connecticut had processed about 50,000 assault weapons
certificates, but that anywhere from 50,000 to 350,000 remained
unregistered. "And that means," wrote the <i>Courant's</i> Dan Haar, "as
of Jan. 1, Connecticut has very likely created tens of thousands of
newly minted criminals — perhaps 100,000 people, almost certainly at
least 20,000 — who have broken no other laws."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Haar140210_39-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Haar140210-39">[39]</a></sup> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Miniter" title="Frank Miniter">Frank Miniter</a> wrote in an April 2014 <i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes" title="Forbes">Forbes</a></i> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op-ed" title="Op-ed">op-ed</a>
"that more than 300,000 Connecticut residents decided not to register
their 'assault weapons,' moved them out of state, or sold them."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Miniter140413_40-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Miniter140413-40">[40]</a></sup><br />
<h3>
<span class="mw-headline" id="New_York">New York</span></h3>
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In January 2013, New York became the first U.S. state to act after
the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting. The Secure Ammunition and
Firearms Enforcement (SAFE) Act passed in the state Senate 43-18 on
January 15 and cleared the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_State_Assembly" title="New York State Assembly">New York State Assembly</a> after about five hours of debate on Tuesday, January 16. It was signed by Governor <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Cuomo" title="Andrew Cuomo">Andrew Cuomo</a>
one hour later. The act expanded the definition of assault weapons
banned in New York, created a state database for pistol permits, reduced
the maximum number of rounds legally allowed in magazines to seven from
ten, and required universal background checks on all gun sales.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Seiler130116_41-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Seiler130116-41">[41]</a></sup><br />
A dozen Republican conference members voted for the measure, but its
Senate Republican leader did not attend the signing ceremony.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Seiler130116_41-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Seiler130116-41">[41]</a></sup>
The NRA called the assembly's actions "a secretive end run around the
legislative and democratic process ... with no committee hearings and no
public input," and said the law was "draconian."<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Seiler130116_41-2"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Seiler130116-41">[41]</a></sup><br />
In a related move, the state comptroller announced that the state's
pension fund would freeze its investments in publicly traded firearm
manufacturers. The fund's holdings in <a class="mw-redirect" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_and_Wesson" title="Smith and Wesson">Smith and Wesson</a> had been sold in December, after the Connecticut shootings.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Seiler130116_41-3"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Seiler130116-41">[41]</a></sup><br />
Provisions of the SAFE Act have been challenged. On December 31,
2013, a federal court judge struck down the act's limit of seven rounds
in magazines capable of holding 10, but upheld its expanded ban on
assault weapons.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Spector131231_42-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Spector131231-42">[42]</a></sup>
As of April 2014 that decision was under appeal, and another challenge,
that the bill was improperly fast-tracked, was dismissed by a
trial-level judge. The plaintiff said that he will take that decision to
the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Court_of_Appeals" title="New York Court of Appeals">New York Court of Appeals</a>.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Klepper140416_43-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Klepper140416-43">[43]</a></sup><br />
Non-compliance with this new law has been reported in New York. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Miniter" title="Frank Miniter">Frank Miniter</a> wrote in an April 2014 <i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes" title="Forbes">Forbes</a></i> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Op-ed" title="Op-ed">op-ed</a>
that assault weapons and high-capacity magazines (which he says are
political terms) are owned by an estimated one million state residents.
He wrote that many had decided to practice civil disobedience and not
register their weapons, a class A misdemeanor with a potential sentence
of one year in prison.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Miniter140413_40-1"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Miniter140413-40">[40]</a></sup> <i>USA Today</i>
reported that some owners threatened not to register their weapons, and
that some chose to bypass registration by modifying or selling them
before the April 15 deadline. State police say they cannot report how
many people have registered. By law, they musk keep their database of
assault weapon owners private.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Campbell140413_44-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Campbell140413-44">[44]</a></sup><br />
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<span class="mw-headline" id="Maryland">Maryland</span></h3>
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Late on April 4, 2013, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland_General_Assembly" title="Maryland General Assembly">Maryland General Assembly</a> passed Governor <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_O%27Malley" title="Martin O'Malley">Martin O'Malley</a>'s
gun control bill, the Firearm Safety Act of 2013. It bans the purchase
of 45 types of assault weapons and limits gun magazines to 10 rounds. It
requires handgun licensing and fingerprinting for new gun owners, and
bans those who have been involuntarily committed to a mental health
facility from buying a gun.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-Jackson130405_45-0"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#cite_note-Jackson130405-45">[45]</a></sup><br />
<h2>
<span class="mw-headline" id="See_also">See also</span></h2>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9313_United_States_ammunition_shortage" title="2008–13 United States ammunition shortage">2008–13 United States ammunition shortage</a></li>
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<span class="mw-headline" id="References">References</span></h2>
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<li id="cite_note-NYT-WHProposal130116-18"> <span class="reference-text"><span class="citation news"><a class="external text" href="http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/16/us/obama-gun-control-proposal.html" rel="nofollow">"What’s in Obama’s Gun Control Proposal"</a>. <i>New York Times</i>. January 16, 2013<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved April 14, 2014</span>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AGun+control+after+the+Sandy+Hook+Elementary+School+shooting&rft.atitle=What%E2%80%99s+in+Obama%E2%80%99s+Gun+Control+Proposal&rft.date=January+16%2C+2013&rft.genre=article&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2Finteractive%2F2013%2F01%2F16%2Fus%2Fobama-gun-control-proposal.html&rft.jtitle=New+York+Times&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal"></span></span></li>
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<li id="cite_note-Warren130417-32"> <span class="reference-text"><span class="citation news">Warren, James (April 17, 2013). <a class="external text" href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/sen-dianne-feinstein-daily-news-shame-u-s-front-page-carries-message-assault-weapons-ban-article-1.1319174" rel="nofollow">"Sen. Dianne Feinstein says Daily News 'SHAME ON U.S.' front page 'carries the message' of assault weapons ban"</a>. <i>New York Daily News</i><span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved April 15, 2014</span>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AGun+control+after+the+Sandy+Hook+Elementary+School+shooting&rft.atitle=Sen.+Dianne+Feinstein+says+Daily+News+%27SHAME+ON+U.S.%27+front+page+%27carries+the+message%27+of+assault+weapons+ban&rft.aufirst=James&rft.aulast=Warren&rft.au=Warren%2C+James&rft.date=April+17%2C+2013&rft.genre=article&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nydailynews.com%2Fnews%2Fnational%2Fsen-dianne-feinstein-daily-news-shame-u-s-front-page-carries-message-assault-weapons-ban-article-1.1319174&rft.jtitle=New+York+Daily+News&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal"></span></span></li>
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<li id="cite_note-Miniter140413-40"> <span class="reference-text"><span class="citation journal">Miniter, Frank (April 13, 2014). <a class="external text" href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/frankminiter/2014/04/13/as-many-as-one-million-armed-new-yorkers-are-about-to-break-the-law/" rel="nofollow">"As Many As One Million Armed New Yorkers Are About To Break The Law"</a>. <i>Forbes</i> (op-ed)<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved April 16, 2014</span>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AGun+control+after+the+Sandy+Hook+Elementary+School+shooting&rft.atitle=As+Many+As+One+Million+Armed+New+Yorkers+Are+About+To+Break+The+Law&rft.aufirst=Frank&rft.aulast=Miniter&rft.au=Miniter%2C+Frank&rft.date=April+13%2C+2014&rft.genre=article&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Ffrankminiter%2F2014%2F04%2F13%2Fas-many-as-one-million-armed-new-yorkers-are-about-to-break-the-law%2F&rft.jtitle=Forbes&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal"></span></span></li>
<li id="cite_note-Seiler130116-41"> <span class="reference-text"><span class="citation news">Seiler, Casey (January 16, 2013). <a class="external text" href="http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/New-gun-law-offers-reply-to-mass-killings-4195504.php" rel="nofollow">"New gun law offers reply to mass killings: State becomes the first in the nation to act after horror of Newtown, Conn."</a>. <i>Times Union</i> (Albany, New York: Hearst Corporation)<span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved April 16, 2014</span>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AGun+control+after+the+Sandy+Hook+Elementary+School+shooting&rft.atitle=New+gun+law+offers+reply+to+mass+killings%3A+State+becomes+the+first+in+the+nation+to+act+after+horror+of+Newtown%2C+Conn.&rft.aufirst=Casey&rft.aulast=Seiler&rft.au=Seiler%2C+Casey&rft.date=January+16%2C+2013&rft.genre=article&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.timesunion.com%2Flocal%2Farticle%2FNew-gun-law-offers-reply-to-mass-killings-4195504.php&rft.jtitle=Times+Union&rft.place=Albany%2C+New+York&rft.pub=Hearst+Corporation&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal"></span></span></li>
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<span class="mw-headline" id="Further_reading">Further reading</span></h2>
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<li><span class="citation web">Feinstein, Dianne (January 24, 2013). <a class="external text" href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s150/text" rel="nofollow">"S. 150: Assault Weapons Ban of 2013"</a>. <i>govtrack.us</i>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AGun+control+after+the+Sandy+Hook+Elementary+School+shooting&rft.atitle=S.+150%3A+Assault+Weapons+Ban+of+2013&rft.au=Feinstein%2C+Dianne&rft.aufirst=Dianne&rft.aulast=Feinstein&rft.date=January+24%2C+2013&rft.genre=article&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.govtrack.us%2Fcongress%2Fbills%2F113%2Fs150%2Ftext&rft.jtitle=govtrack.us&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Ajournal"></span></li>
<li><span class="citation book">Cook, Philip J.; Goss, Kristin A. (2014). <a class="external text" href="http://books.google.com/books?id=sYc3AwAAQBAJ&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q&f=false" rel="nofollow"><i>The Gun Debate: What Everyone Needs to Know</i></a>. Oxford University Press. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Standard_Book_Number" title="International Standard Book Number">ISBN</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-19-933898-6" title="Special:BookSources/978-0-19-933898-6">978-0-19-933898-6</a><span class="reference-accessdate">. Retrieved April 13, 2014</span>.</span><span class="Z3988" title="ctx_ver=Z39.88-2004&rfr_id=info%3Asid%2Fen.wikipedia.org%3AGun+control+after+the+Sandy+Hook+Elementary+School+shooting&rft.au=Cook%2C+Philip+J.&rft.aufirst=Philip+J.&rft.au=Goss%2C+Kristin+A.&rft.aulast=Cook&rft.btitle=The+Gun+Debate%3A+What+Everyone+Needs+to+Know&rft.date=2014&rft.genre=book&rft_id=http%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fid%3DsYc3AwAAQBAJ%26pg%3DPP1%23v%3Donepage%26q%26f%3Dfalse&rft.isbn=978-0-19-933898-6&rft.pub=Oxford+University+Press&rft_val_fmt=info%3Aofi%2Ffmt%3Akev%3Amtx%3Abook"></span></li>
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Unknownnoreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1061634252147156238.post-75026185749102371252014-03-15T22:16:00.001-07:002014-03-16T08:21:49.477-07:00Andrew Brenner: Tea Party Hooker?Looks like.<br />
<br />
On March 13th, before sending it down the memory whole, Brenner's published on his webblog this article written by his Assistant Editor, Fred DeRuvo. :<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<a href="http://www.brennerbrief.com/sandy-hook-hoax-designed-advance-gun-control-laws/">"Was Sandy Hook a Hoax Designed to Advance Gun Control Laws?"</a></blockquote>
<br />
<br />
It's now a big whitewash, but <a href="https://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/14/1284630/-Published-On-Rep-Brenner-R-Blog-Was-Sandy-Hook-a-Hoax-Designed-to-Advance-Gun-Control-Laws">some of the text has been captured</a>:<br />
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<br />
Wrongly dated AP photos include those of children allegedly killed in the event, and wrong date stamps for Google pages and searches. It also included photos of 26 young students at Devers Elementary School in York releasing balloons into the air in memory of the young children allegedly slain at Sandy Hook. Another photo shows a banner tied to a freeway overpass with the actual photo allegedly taken December 15, one day after the tragedy. But the actual photo appears to have been taken December 12th. It’s also interesting to note that the banner – while attached to the fence of a freeway overpass – cannot be seen by traffic because it is not on the outside of the fence facing traffic. It is on the inside of the fence on the opposite/far side of the road. Was it simply placed there for the photo and then taken down? It was also an AP photo.<br />
<br />
To create an event like Sandy Hook takes tremendous planning. Even so, with the best of minds, things will come to light that at the very least cast a shadow over the truthfulness of said event. We haven’t even discussed what a sharpshooter Adam Lanza must have been to take out that many people in such a short amount of time.<br />
<br />
If Sandy Hook was an artificially created and staged event to allow the government to use fear to gain the advantage over the 2nd Amendment, we can bet we will see more of these events over time. Why? Simply because the government has not gotten what it wants.<br />
<br />
Though President Obama has stated he supports the 2nd Amendment, it is clear from his actions that he does not. The 2nd Amendment he supports is no 2nd Amendment at all.</blockquote>
Now Team Brenner is trying to distance themselves, the link now reads:<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
Unanswered questions about Sandy Hook and the advancement of gun control<br />
<div class="post-meta post-meta-details">
<span class="author-avatar"></span>
<span class="author-name">Fred DeRuvo<a href="http://www.brennerbrief.com/sandy-hook-hoax-designed-advance-gun-control-laws/" rel="author" title="Google Plus Profile for +">+</a></span>
<time class="post-date" datetime="2014-03-13" pubdate="">Mar 13, 2014</time>
</div>
<br />
Due to some believing that the writer, Fred DeRuvo, was saying that
Sandy Hook was a hoax, this story has been removed from Brenner Brief
News. That was never his intent; however, too many are misreading the
story to mean that Brenner Brief News and the Brenners believe Sandy
Hook to be a hoax.Nothing could be further from the truth. <span style="color: red; text-decoration: underline;">Neither Sara Marie Brenner nor Andrew Brenner believe that Sandy Hook was a hoax.</span> Both have stated as such in the Comments section below the story, as well.<br />
At Brenner Brief News, we allow writers to control their own
content. The Brenners are not personally responsible for the content,
and only Sara Marie is the only Brenner involved in the operations of
the site.<br />
Accusations by The Daily Kos and other outlets that this is “Andrew Brenner’s blog” are outrageously false.</blockquote>
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<span class="screen-reader-text"></span>Okaaaaay.<br />
<br />
The problem with this "explanation" is screencaptures from social media say otherwise:<br />
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<a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--uTD9WtixpE/UyUtkSp3j1I/AAAAAAAACk0/jfP7gziJvPw/s1600/Brenner_Hoax.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--uTD9WtixpE/UyUtkSp3j1I/AAAAAAAACk0/jfP7gziJvPw/s1600/Brenner_Hoax.jpg" height="320" width="253" /></a></div>
More damning is <i><b>Andrew Brenner blogged this article himself</b></i>:<br />
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<a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YlSm2eyeJBo/UyUt4h-Uw0I/AAAAAAAACk8/qYAXHniNBkc/s1600/A_crazy_ohio_state_rep_tea_party2.JPG" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-YlSm2eyeJBo/UyUt4h-Uw0I/AAAAAAAACk8/qYAXHniNBkc/s1600/A_crazy_ohio_state_rep_tea_party2.JPG" height="320" width="315" /></a></div>
<br />
What can we find out about Brenner from that(according to a "hooker") "zionist" source of disinfo known as Wikipedia:<br />
<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Brenner">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Brenner</a><br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
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<b>Andrew O. Brenner</b> (born January 14, 1971) is an American politician. He is a member of the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_House_of_Representatives" title="Ohio House of Representatives">Ohio House of Representatives</a> and a Republican. He was re-elected to represent the 67th district in 2012.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-this_1-0">[1]</sup><br />
His wife, Sara Marie Brenner, is a Councilwoman and owns Prestige
Music Studios, a private music business in Powell, Ohio. Brenner
operates the business with his wife. <sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-dis_2-0">[2]</sup><sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-del_3-0">[3]</sup></blockquote>
A little dull. So much for our "zionist" buddies. <br />
<br />
Elsewhere on the Interpools Brenner <a href="http://www.clermontteaparty.org/category/andrew-brenner%E2%80%8E">seems aligned with the Tea Party</a> and like most "teabaggers" he's <a href="https://aattp.org/vice-chair-of-oh-house-education-committee-public-schools-are-socialism-and-should-be-privatized/">confused about what socialism is</a>.<br />
<br />
Brenner was also a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_raUZ5xHYj8" rel="nofollow">supportor of Rick Santorum</a>, which can't be good for anyone's health due to the likelyhood <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_for_%22santorum%22_neologism">of laughing oneself to death</a>.<br />
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<br />
So, if Andy's not a Hooker, <b>how did the article get published on Andy's blog at his website, he and his wife control?</b><br />
<br />
Inquiring minds are accepting conspiracy theories NOW!!!!<br />
<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1061634252147156238.post-42259465735458494372014-03-13T08:57:00.000-07:002014-03-13T08:57:00.137-07:00Unhinged Hooker "Kelly From Tusla" on RadioFor laughs listen to how <a href="http://www.970wfla.com/media/podcast-schnitt-show-podcast-schnittshow/december-04-2013-conspiracy-nut-caller-24051116/">Schnitt handles this 'Hooker'</a>:<br />
<br />
<b>December 04, 2013 - Conspiracy Nut Caller Tulsa Kelly</b><br />
<br />
<br />
<iframe allowtransparency="true" frameborder="0" height="377" scrolling="no" src="https://media.iheart.com/player/embed.html?autoStart=false&useFullScreen=true&mid=24051116&siteid=1139&startButtonColor=0xA33335&share=http%3A//www.970wfla.com/media/podcast-schnitt-show-podcast-schnittshow/december-04-2013-conspiracy-nut-caller-24051116/&podcastFeed=schnittshow.xml&programName=podcast" width="670"></iframe>
<br />
....<br />
<br />
Kelly from Tusla's other "work" :<br />
radiofetzer.blogspot.com/2013/12/kelly-from-tulsa-bernard-wilds.html<br />
<br />
<br />
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<cite class="user">motorfot</cite><span class="icon user"></span><span class="datetime secondary-text">December 11, 2013 at 12:03 PM</span></div>
<div class="comment-content" id="bc_0_2MC">
Kelly from Tulsa was great! One of the clearest thinking guests on this show, ever. Great scientific mind.</div>
</blockquote>
<br />
radiofetzer.blogspot.com/2013/04/kelly-from-tulsa-jim-fetzer.html<br />
<br />
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<cite class="user">Ayelyah</cite><span class="icon user"></span><span class="datetime secondary-text">May 4, 2013 at 1:36 AM</span></div>
<div class="comment-content" id="bc_0_2MC">
excellent
work Kelly, you pieced it together superbly, just goes to prove what
determination and tenacity can can achieve, no qualifications are
necessary. There is no other conclusion apart from this being a planned,
staged and scripted event, Hollywood gone live, Director and all. It
begs the question who wrote the script and financed this fiasco? </div>
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<cite class="user">Awake in Michigan</cite><span class="icon user"></span><span class="datetime secondary-text">May 6, 2013 at 6:52 PM</span></div>
<div class="comment-content" id="bc_0_4MC">
Love
your work, Kelly. Received more out of your words at second listening.
"Gene Rosen in his house juicing up kids..." hahahahahahahaha. How can
the powers-that-say-they-are ponder we believe all this b---sh--.</div>
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<cite class="user">spinchatter5</cite><span class="icon user"></span><span class="datetime secondary-text">May 7, 2013 at 11:06 AM</span></div>
<div class="comment-content" id="bc_0_7MC">
I
don't mean to be morbid, but I hope Kelly has shared with you, Jim, her
sources on the smoking gun she's working on. After all, how many
witnesses/investigators digging around stories like this have ended up
"suicided"?</div>
</blockquote>
<br />
Unfortunately for the rest of us the New World Order assassin thugs failed to keep Kelly from her insane rant ridden radio appearance in Dec. <br />
<br />
Shit, what do we pay these people for?<br />
<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com19tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1061634252147156238.post-72662649457453342232014-03-12T20:40:00.001-07:002014-03-12T20:40:16.331-07:00Refuting Wolfgang Halbig, a Sandy Hook “truther”Great point by point evisceration of Hooker tool Wolfgang Halbig by Chris Hernandez:<br />
<br />
<a href="http://chrishernandezauthor.com/2014/03/02/refuting-a-sandy-hook-truther/">http://chrishernandezauthor.com/2014/03/02/refuting-a-sandy-hook-truther/</a><br />
<br />
[Edited for space. Read the full context at above link.]<br />
<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<strong>HALBIG’S LIST OF CLAIMS, AND MY REFUTATIONS</strong><br />
<br />
<em>Point 1: “When the police arrived at Sandy Hook Elementary School
(SHES) that morning, they parked ¼ mile from the school’s front door
instead of doing what first responders are supposed to do in an active
shooter event, which is to neutralize the threat as quickly as possible
so as to save as many lives as possible.”</em><br />
<br />
When the official Sandy Hook report was released, I also heard rumors
of officers parking a quarter mile away. But some of the responding
officers have publicly stated they stopped in the school parking lot,
rather than a faraway safe spot. <br />
“They made it in under three minutes, arriving in the parking lot
while gunfire could still be heard. ‘I got out of the car and grabbed my
rifle and it stopped for a second,’ Officer Chapman said. ‘But then we
heard more popping. You could tell it was rifle fire. And it was up so
close, it sounded like it was coming from outside. So we were all
looking around for someone to shoot back at.’”<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/nyregion/horrors-of-newtown-shooting-scene-are-slow-to-fade.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/nyregion/horrors-of-newtown-shooting-scene-are-slow-to-fade.html</a><br />
<br /><br />
<em>Point 2: “Paramedics and EMTs (emergency medical technicians)
were not allowed to enter the school. Instead they were kept waiting in
the Sandy Hook fire station nearby, 500 yards down the road from SHES.”</em><br />
<br />
This is kind of a “Wow, no kidding” statement. EMS protocol has
traditionally been to remain out of the immediate danger area until it’s
been declared safe by law enforcement. So it’s believable that EMS
wasn’t allowed into the school until police cleared it. Whether that was
a bad call or not (I think it was), it’s not the least bit suspicious.<br />
<br />
<em>Point 3: “Trauma helicopters, which can provide the quickest and
best medical services in an emergency, were not sent to Sandy Hook. Life
Star, the medical helicopter service at Danbury Hospital’s Trauma
Center, told Halbig ‘we were never called, never asked.’”</em><br />
<br />
In decades as a cop, having been on many shootings, stabbings and
major accidents, I can only recall medical helicopters being called in
on a few occasions. Helicopters require cleared landing zones, which
often means clearing traffic from vital roads. This can’t always be done
in an urban area, or at least it can’t always be done quickly.
Transportation by road is sometimes faster than by air, when the time
needed to get the helicopters into the air, clear a landing zone and
move casualties to the LZ is taken into account. Ground ambulances can
usually get casualties to a closeby hospital before a helicopter can be
brought in.<br />
And there are only so many helicopters available. Even if they had
been called, some (maybe most) of the casualties would have been
transported by ground anyway.<br />
<br />
<em>Point 4: “Where were the ambulances to transport the wounded to hospitals?”</em><br />
Didn’t he just answer his own question? The ambulances were at the Newtown fire station, as mentioned in point 2.<br />
<br />
<em>Point 5: “Why did police declare 26 people to be dead within the
first 11 minutes of the shooting, when according to Connecticut law,
only a doctor can declare someone to be legally dead?”</em><br />
<br />
What difference does that make? I’ve been on plenty of scenes where
cops declared someone “DRT”, meaning “Dead Right There”. That’s not an
official pronouncement, it’s the officer reporting what’s obvious to him
or her. I once found a man who had been dead in his house for at least a
week, and I reported him dead on the radio. The man was badly
decomposed, obviously dead, but someone else still had to make the
official pronouncement. On another call we had someone decapitated by an
air bag. Yes we called them dead, and yes someone else had to make the
official pronouncement. That’s not suspicious, it’s just legal
procedure.<br />
<br />
<em>Point 6: “Why did the FBI classify the Sandy Hook massacre? This
has never been done before. Even the Columbine School massacre was not
classified information. To this day, the FBI report on Sandy Hook
remains classified information, not releasable to the public.”</em><br />
<br />
I don’t know anything about the FBI’s report. I do know that the
FBI’s report isn’t the determining factor in whether or not this
incident really happened. Local and state officers responded and
investigated, and their report has been released. Some of the responding
officers have spoken publicly about the incident. Radio and 911
transcripts have been released. Parents have made statements. So if the
FBI doesn’t release their report, suddenly the entire incident was
faked?<br />
<br />
<em>Point 7: “Why did the State of Connecticut wait ELEVEN whole
months to issue its official final report on the Sandy Hook shootings to
the American public? Note that the final report does not include the
FBI’s still-classified report.”</em><br />
<br />
Why did the investigation take eleven months? Probably because it was
extremely complicated, with two murder scenes, one of which was more
complex than any those officers had previously encountered. And that
each of the twenty-seven murders had to be individually and exhaustively
detailed. And that there was no rush to finish, because there was
nobody alive to prosecute, so no concern about a “speedy trial”. And
that the investigators knew their report would be torn apart by legions
of “truthers” intent on exploiting anything from typographical errors to
30-second timeline mistakes. <br />
\<br />
<em>Point 8: “Police transmissions don’t lie because they are made by
sworn and trained law enforcement officers. On the morning of Dec. 14,
2012, recorded police transmissions said ‘We have multiple weapons
inside the [SH] classroom — a rifle and a shotgun.’ But nobody could
find the shotgun in the school. Instead, a shotgun was found in the
black Honda parked outside the school.”</em><br />
<br />
Oh, brother. This statement makes me question Halbig’s exalted
background as a police officer. Any cop who has been on more than one
dangerous, adrenaline-charged scene knows officers make mistakes.
Suspects are misidentified. People see things that aren’t really there.
Cops call out bad directions (I was famous for that). Someone yells
something that turns out to not be true and others repeat it. How many
officers have reported seeing a weapon, suspicious object, suspicious
person or whatever, and later found out they were wrong? Does anyone
recall the search for the nonexistent third suspect at the North
Hollywood Shootout?<br />
I haven’t heard the radio traffic about two weapons, but if it
happened, so what? I’m not the least bit surprised an officer called out
something that turned out to be incorrect. It happens all the time. And
it’s usually a result of adrenaline, fear, confusion, conflicting
witness reports and everything else that cops encounter at high-stress
scenes. If Halbig doesn’t know that, then I suspect that during his time
as a “cop” he rode a desk far more than a patrol car.<br />
Besides that, it’s pretty damn ridiculous for Halbig to cite the
professionalism of police officers while simultaneously accusing every
police officer involved in the Sandy Hook investigation of being part of
this “conspiracy”.<br />
<br />
<em>Point 9: “At 9:45 AM that day, a police officer found a surviving
kindergarten-aged girl in the hallway. The officer sent her back into
Room 8 — a crime scene with students and teachers shot dead. What police
officer would do that?”</em><br />
<br />
Probably an officer who thought, “The room we just searched is clear,
but the rest of the school isn’t. I don’t have extra people around to
guard this girl or take her to safety. And there may be a suspect still
loose in the school. So I should send her back into a safe room, and
report her location on the radio.” Ordering her back into that room was
probably the best bad option out of a list of bad options.<br />
This comment reminds me of a debate I had before I deployed to Iraq.
According to traditional military doctrine, you never, under any
circumstances, evacuated a wounded soldier with a dead soldier. In the
early years of the Iraq War some soldiers tried to hold on to that
doctrine. But it didn’t always make sense. If a Humvee was hit by an IED
and all the crewmen were killed or wounded, and they were under small
arms fire, it wouldn’t make sense to have other soldiers make multiple
trips into the kill zone when they can evacuate everyone at once. You
make one trip in, load everyone you can, and get out. Sometimes war just
sucks, and you have to do what you have to do. <br />
<br />
<em>Point 10: “Similarly, that morning, two Connecticut state
troopers entered Room 10 and found an unharmed boy hiding in the
bathroom. The troopers ordered the boy to stay in the room — a room with
dead people. ‘That’s not police protocol.’”</em><br />
<br />
See my above comment. Sure, that’s not protocol. So what? Does
Halbig, with his alleged police background, think cops or anyone else
always follow protocol? Amazingly enough, sometimes people don’t exactly
follow the training they’ve received. I’m sure everyone reading this
would be shocked – shocked! – to hear that teenagers still drive like
idiots even after being taught not to. Or that soldiers don’t always hit
their targets even after extensive marksmanship training. Or that cops,
in the most terrifying, intense, chaotic, confusing scene they’ve ever
been on, when they’re experiencing survival stress reactions like tunnel
vision, auditory exclusion, time speeding up or slowing down, enhanced
visual acuity and loss of manual dexterity, might not follow their
training to the letter. <br />
Cops are human. I can pretty much guarantee that none of officers at
Newtown had responded to anything like the Sandy Hook massacre before.
In the heat of the moment, they didn’t exactly follow protocol.
Surprised? Me neither.<br />
<br />
<em>Point 11: “’Having investigated and given expert testimony on
many school shootings, Halbig says ‘I know what tears look like.’ But
the parents of slain Sandy Hook children, as we’ve noted here on FOTM,
did not cry. (In the now famous case of Robbie Parker, the father of
allegedly slain 6-year-old Emilie, he went from laughing and joking to
pretending to choke back tears in the blink of an eye.)”</em><br />
<br />
No joke? Not a single parent of a murdered child from Sandy Hook cried? Who the hell are these people then?<br />
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And I’d like to know how Halbig or anyone else knows the parent
mentioned above was “pretending to choke back tears”. I’ve been around
plenty of family members of murder victims, and it’s not unusual for
them to go through intense mood swings.<br />
<br />
<em>Point 12: “Sandy Hook’s medical examiner Dr. Wayne Carver refused
to let the parents see the bodies of their slain children, and instead
gave them photos of the bodies, which is ‘unheard of.’ Halbig knows
about the inconsolable grief of parents and is himself a parent. Parents
whose children had been shot dead ‘would kick the door down’ demanding
to see the bodies.”</em><br />
<br />
I’ve never been on a scene where family members were allowed to see
the bodies of murder victims. When the bodies are still where they fell,
the area around them needs to remain as undisturbed as possible in
order to preserve evidence. Until a body is examined and autopsied, the
body itself is evidence that needs to be preserved. People not involved
in the investigation aren’t allowed to see murder victims at will, they
generally won’t see the body until it’s released to a funeral home after
the autopsy.<br />
<br />
<em>Point 13: “Why was Sandy Hook Elementary School torn down? This
is not the case with any of the other schools where shootings had taken
place, including Columbine School.”</em><br />
<br />
In this case, the community decided they didn’t want to continue
using the school where 20 children and 6 educators were murdered. I
don’t find that particularly surprising. Columbine High School wasn’t
torn down, but its library, where the majority of victims died, was
walled off.<br />
<br />
<em>Point 14: “Who installed the new security system at SHES? This should be a matter of public record.”</em><br />
<br />
If it was a contract made by the city, then I imagine it is a matter
of public record. What difference does that make? The security system
didn’t enable or stop the massacre, and the school’s locked doors were
an easily surmountable obstacle to Lanza. If we don’t know who installed
the security system, does that signify something?<br />
<br />
<em>Point 15: “The shooting-to-death of 26 people would leave 45-60
gallons of blood. Who cleaned it up? What biohazard company was hired to
clean the crime scene?”</em><br />
<br />
Wait…what? According to medicinenet.com, a 150-pound body contains
approximately 5.5 quarts of blood. With 26 victims that’s 143 quarts.
Four quarts make a gallon, so 143 quarts of blood equals 35.75 gallons.
And that’s if they were all adults. Children’s bodies hold less blood.<br />
But that doesn’t matter, because when people are shot to death all
their blood doesn’t automatically drain from their bodies. Halbig has
either never been on a shooting murder scene or he’s completely
forgotten what they look like. People bleed out because they have
massive injuries and their hearts pump blood out from those injuries.
When the heart stops pumping, the blood loss stops. I’ve seen some big
pools of blood, but other than in a few serial murderer cases never
heard of a murder victim being totally drained of blood. <br />
Yes, that would have been a hell of a mess to clean up, even without
the mythical “45-60 gallons of blood”. Was it cleaned up afterward? I
don’t know. The school was never reopened, so did it need to be cleaned?<br />
<br />
<em>Point 16: “Why is there not even one lawsuit by a Sandy Hook
parent against SHES for negligence? Halbig has never ever seen a school
shooting without parents suing the school for negligence.”</em><br />
<br />
Is it possible the parents really don’t blame the school for the
mentally ill murderer who shot his way through locked doors, killed
educators who tried to save their children, then murdered as many people
as he could before shooting himself?<br />
<br />
<em>Point 17: “Why are there so many fund-raisers for the Sandy Hook
shootings? Halbig: ‘I’ve never seen so many fund-raisers’ in the case of
Sandy Hook. One fundraising alone, by United Way, netted $17 million,
from which ‘every [SH] parent got a big chunk of money.’”</em><br />
<br />
Okay. People donated funds to assist families whose children were
brutally murdered. Obviously the incident never happened, because the
United Way and others raised money. This proves that United Way was
involved in the conspiracy.<br />
<br />
I’m just not seeing a reason to throw out a conspiracy flag because
Americans raised money to help families who had just suffered
unimaginable tragedy.<br />
<br />
<em>Point 18: “Alleged shooter Adam Lanza, 20, is said to have
Asperger syndrome — a high-functioning (in academics) form of austism.
Halbig points out, however, that like those with autism, children with
Asperger have ‘very very poor motor skills’ and ‘very poor muscle tone.’
How did Asperger-afflicted Adam Lanza with ‘very poor muscle tone’
carry a rifle, a shotgun, a handgun, and bullets? How did
Asperger-afflicted Adam Lanza with ‘very very poor motor skills’ shoot
26 people dead — not wounded — in less than five minutes, firing one
bullet roughly every two seconds?”</em><br />
<br />
Unfortunately, I know a lot about autism. My youngest son is
moderately autistic. Anyone who thinks everyone on the autism spectrum
is affected the same doesn’t understand autism. Yes, some people with
autism have poor muscle tone and poor motor skills. That doesn’t mean
they can’t operate a weapon. My five year old son could probably hold
and fire a rifle (his motor skills are just fine, by the way). There is
no reason to believe Lanza was so weak physically that he couldn’t
operate a rifle, or carry spare ammunition.<br />
<br />
<br /><em>Halbig’s conclusions: “’In my professional opinion [as a school
safety consultant], I suspect Sandy Hook was a scripted event that took
place, in the planning for two or 2½ years.’…Halbig does not believe any
child was killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School.”</em><br />
<br />
Halbig sounds like a typical “truther”; he assumes our government,
the same government absolutely incapable of even putting a health care
website together, can pull off a gigantic conspiracy requiring thousands
of willing participants. And these participants wouldn’t all be
shadowy, ghostlike federal government Jason Bourne spies, either. Local
cops and firefighters, the very people who serve and live in the small
community where the massacre was “staged”, would have to willingly lie
to the entire nation about it. Children who attended the school would
have to lie. All the teachers would have to lie. Local officials would
have to willingly play along with a narrative they know is false. People
who live near the school would have to lie about hearing gunfire and
having children knocking on their doors asking for help. And all these
various disparate people, all the cops, firefighters, paramedics,
doctors, neighbors, parents, reporters, all the thousands of people
associated with the incident, are all in on the conspiracy? They were
all part of this “scripted event”, they all knew in advance it was fake?
Or did they spontaneously jump into the conspiracy at the first
opportunity?<br />
<br />
Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure many people did immediately recognize an
opportunity to exploit the tragedy for political gain. Some of them
doubtless believe in the morality of their cause, some others probably
see it as a way to consolidate their own or their party’s power. But
exploiting a tragedy isn’t the same thing as faking it. <br />
The bottom line for me is that I don’t believe a bunch of regular,
everyday Americans are lying about this. Why would they? Why would guys
just like the cops I’ve served with for decades, teachers like my mom,
sister and wife, and paramedics like the guys I’ve seen frantically
trying to save strangers on many scenes, willingly lie about this?
According to Halbig and every truther who agrees with him, not a single
child died at Sandy Hook that day. So every cop on that scene lied about
dead children they knew weren’t there. Every paramedic who claimed to
have treated a victim knows there were no victims. Every neighbor who
reported hearing gunfire knows not a shot was fired. Everyone who worked
at Sandy Hook, every student there, knows nobody was murdered. But
they’re all in on the lie anyway. Because they all passionately want gun
control. Or something like that.<br />
<br />
Halbig is reportedly going to travel to Newtown himself, so he can
ask questions “eyeball to eyeball”. I’d highly suggest he carry a first
aid kit. Because if I had lost a son or daughter at Sandy Hook, and some
“truther” came around accusing me of lying about the brutal murder of
my own child, I know exactly how I’d react. </blockquote>
<br />
Outstanding, sir.<br />
<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1061634252147156238.post-45571089538242994942014-03-07T18:37:00.001-08:002014-03-07T18:37:27.929-08:00Linked at Facebook on Pier's Morgan LiveApparently a Hooker called <a href="https://www.facebook.com/PiersMorganLive/posts/828998367113529?stream_ref=10">Tommy was spreading the bad word</a> on the Pier's Morgan Live Facebook page.<br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/tommy.castillo.52">Tommy Castillo</a> posted a link to <a href="https://www.facebook.com/PiersMorganLive?ref=stream">PiersMorgan Live</a>'s timeline.</div>
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<a href="http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/02/video-national-school-safety-expert-sandy-hook-shooting-fraud.html" rel="nofollow">Video: National School Safety Expert:Sandy Hook shooting was a fraud Washington's Blog</a></div>
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Mr. Halbig’s response is demand for
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The Hooker blog is called "Washington's Blog" and the blog post was written by <a href="http://www.washingtonsblog.com/author/carl-herman" rel="nofollow">Carl Herman</a>. He seems to be very, very excited about political "game changers". The blog has multiple contributors with links to a medly of politics mostly left, but a couple with wacky woo, like the conspiracy website <a href="http://911blogger.com/" rel="nofollow">911blogger.com</a> and the <a href="http://the-last-blog-left.blogspot.com/2009/07/mike-rivero-promoting-willis-cartos.html">Anti Semitic cesspool "What Really Happened"</a> run by Mike Rivero. Back in 2002 <a href="http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/12/48669.html?c=on">Rivero's website was connected to some questionable business dealings</a>, as well as being responsible for spreading a vicious, inflammatory, political lie:<br />
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More troubling was this brazen misquote caught by sharp-eyed blogger, <a href="http://damianpenny.blogspot.com/">Damian Penny</a>:<br />
<b>20.5.02</b>This
is long overdue, but CAMERA, a pro-Israel media watchdog, has confirmed
that Ariel Sharon's "We, the Jewish people, control America" quote <a href="http://world.std.com/%7Ecamera/docs/alert/geyer.html">is a hoax</a>.<br />
(I sent this article to <b>Michael Rivero, who repeats the quote 5 or 6 times a day.</b> Let's see if he responds.)<br /><a href="http://damianpenny.blogspot.com/2002_05_19_damianpenny_archive.html#76774485">7:57PM</a></blockquote>
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No surprise people still plugging these woo websites have fallen for the Hooker crap.<br />
Cue for upstanding fan Roni to set Hooker Tommy straight...by linking to this blog. <br />
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While lukewarmly received, we're not sad. The Hookers aren't trending like they were and if they do, peeps like Roni will keep our search results high.<br />
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Thanks for the plug.<br />
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Unknownnoreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1061634252147156238.post-2454542829675326142014-03-07T16:43:00.001-08:002014-03-07T16:43:31.510-08:00Wolfgang Halbig: Children's Safety Institute Website DownIt's not the first time to cross our minds something was a sham around Halbig. After today's announcement Halbig was fired/or something, peeps on both sides of the Hooker non-debate have noticed Halbig's site is down:<br />
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<a href="http://www.childrenssafetyinstitute.com/">http://www.childrenssafetyinstitute.com</a>/<br />
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Server not found</blockquote>
Whois shows it's still registered and no one updated:<br />
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Domain Name: CHILDRENSSAFETYINSTITUTE.COM<br />
Registry Domain ID: <br />
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.networksolutions.com<br />
Registrar URL: http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/<br />
Updated Date: 2013-10-31T00:00:00Z<br />
Creation Date: 2012-10-29T00:00:00Z<br />
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2014-10-29T00:00:00Z<br />
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.<br />
Registrar IANA ID: 2<br />
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@web.com<br />
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: 800-333-7680<br />
Reseller: <br />
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited<br />
Registry Registrant ID: <br />
Registrant Name: Childrens Safety Institute<br />
Registrant Organization: Childrens Safety Institute<br />
Registrant Street: PO Box 459<br />
Registrant City: Drums<br />
Registrant State/Province: PA<br />
Registrant Postal Code: 18222<br />
Registrant Country: US<br />
Registrant Phone: 570-708-8780<br />
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Admin Name: Childrens Safety Institute<br />
Admin Organization: Childrens Safety Institute<br />
Admin Street: PO Box 459<br />
Admin City: Drums<br />
Admin State/Province: PA<br />
Admin Postal Code: 18222<br />
Admin Country: US<br />
Admin Phone: 570-708-8780<br />
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Admin Email: xv9wu5mb9gu@networksolutionsprivateregistration.com<br />
Registry Tech ID: <br />
Tech Name: Childrens Safety Institute<br />
Tech Organization: Childrens Safety Institute<br />
Tech Street: PO Box 459<br />
Tech City: Drums<br />
Tech State/Province: PA<br />
Tech Postal Code: 18222<br />
Tech Country: US<br />
Tech Phone: 570-708-8780<br />
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Tech Email: xv9wu5mb9gu@networksolutionsprivateregistration.com<br />
Name Server: NS8.ONTARGETWEBSOLUTIONS.COM<br />
Name Server: NS7.ONTARGETWEBSOLUTIONS.COM<br />
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The server in Florida is still live:<br />
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Apache</div>
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67.23.246.118 Reverse-IP | Ping | DNS
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whois.networksolutions.com</div>
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United States AS33182 --No Registry
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United States - Florida - Orlando -
Hostdime.com Inc.</div>
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200</div>
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So we're guessing someone temporarily pulled the plug.</div>
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The lack of a simple html info page suggests great drama behind the scenes:</div>
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Did Halbig do it to stop peeps using the website contact?</div>
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Or did Halbig's ex business partner(s) do it to cut Hooker donors off from using the site, and therefore ensuring they all stay out of jail?</div>
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Thank God for Google Cache:</div>
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Our Mission<br />
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CSI’s mission is to provide the leading training programs
and tools for teachers to properly care for children with Emotional and
Behavioral Disabilities. </h5>
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5703 Red Bug Lake Road Suite 103</div>
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Winter Springs, FL 32709</div>
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407-496-5551</div>
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Mission Statement: “CSI’s mission
is to provide the leading training programs and tools for teachers to
properly care for children with Emotional and Behavioral
Disabilities.” We strongly believe there are better ways to care
for children with special needs when their behavior becomes unruly
due to over-stimulation of their classroom environment or school
settings.</div>
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Christopher Elliott</div>
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celliot</div>
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Christopher Elliott- Chris is a member
of the National Urban Special Education Leadership Initiative and
part of a national faculty sponsored by the Office of Special
Education Programs (OSEP). Chris has been a special educator for
twenty years with experience as a residential counselor, classroom
assistant, transition coordinator, school district staffing
specialist, and classroom teacher. He is currently a Doctoral
candidate at the University of Central Florida with research
interests including social and interpersonal skills development for
student with disabilities, transition services, public policy
advancement, job experience training programs, math education, and
autism related disorders. Chris is well respected in the field of
special education and has many years working and observing behavioral
tendencies of children with special needs. His experience working in
both public and private organizations makes him well respected among
his educational peers. This allows him to teach his fellow educators
new methods in handling children’s behavioral issues. Chris is
passionate about Universal Design for Learning, Behavior Support
Strategies, Inclusive School Community Models, and Staff Development.
Chris holds a Bachelor’s Degree in Rehabilitation Counseling from
Springfield College, MA, and a Master’s Degree in Special Education
from the University of Colorado. He lives in Orlando Florida with his
wife and twin sons.</div>
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Wolfgang W. Halbig</div>
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wolfgang</div>
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Wolfgang is a nationally recognized
school safety and security professional who has done extensive work
in researching and developing the “Standards for Safe Schools”.
He is an expert witness in the field of school safety and security.
He has testified before a Congressional Commission studying school
safety and security. Wolfgang was the former Executive Director of
the National Institute for School and Workplace Safety. Wolfgang was
also appointed by the Florida Governor to serve on the State of
Florida Safe Schools Commission.</div>
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Wolfgang is also the author of a book
for educators and school bus drivers on aggressive behavior
management and the use of reasonable force, as well as numerous
magazine articles. His article on “Breaking the Code of Silence”
was published in the March 2000 edition of the American School Board
Journal. He has been a featured guest on many national news programs
including Dateline NBC, Good Morning America, and MSNBC.</div>
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Wolfgang was the Director of Safety and
Security for a large public school system in Florida and brings to
the company a national reputation in school safety, education and law
enforcement. He has experience with U.S. Customs and as a Florida
State Trooper. After leaving law enforcement, he went into education
as a teacher, administrative leader, and finally Director of Safety
and Security. His 35 years of work experience is a major asset to any
involvement with safety and security.</div>
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William J. Ford</div>
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bford</div>
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William J. Ford- Bill grew up in
Central Florida and in 1979 he received a Bachelor’s Degree in
Marketing/Management from the University of Central Florida. The same
year he began his security career. He traveled the country visiting
over 147 security operations to introduce new and innovative security
ideas and initiatives to those outdated security companies.</div>
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In 1983 Bill purchased his own security
operation in Orlando, FL. Bill was responsible for all aspects of the
business; he integrated his business knowledge into the daily
solutions that he and his team provided to the community they served.
He continued pioneering different technical advancements in audio and
visual monitoring making them the nation’s leader in central
station monitoring. They set the monitoring standards to lead the
nation in school safety initiatives for over twenty years. He became
to be known as the security and safety expert for educational
facilities since he secured more educational facilities than any
other single security provider. He sold his security firm in 2006
after 27 years in the security business but never lost his thirst for
safety. He continues to speak on security and safety related issues
and consults for many organizations.</div>
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These look like the people un happy with Halbig trying to hijack the org for his Hooker woo.<br />
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Fun times ahead!<br />
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Unknownnoreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1061634252147156238.post-23007409899582458712014-03-07T11:14:00.002-08:002014-03-07T11:16:12.573-08:00Wolfgang Halbig: DOWNSIZED, CAPS LOCK STUCKThe honeymoon is over and <a href="https://www.facebook.com/wolfgang.w.halbig/posts/4072795874953?stream_ref=10" rel="nofollow">Halbig is out of a job</a>, or out of business. Or just out of his mind. As if things weren't bad enough, his caps lock is stuck:<br />
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ONE
OF MY BEST BUSINESS PARTNER QUIT HIS JOB WITH THE CHILDRENS SAFETY
INSTITUTE BECAUSE I AM INVOLVED AS HE SAY'S IN THIS CONSPIRACY THEORY ON
SANDY HOOK AND IT IS NOT GOOD FOR OUR COMPANY SINCE I WAS TAKING
DONATIONS WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CSI. HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND AND
IT IS CONNECTED TO AUTISM. PEOPLE ARE AFRAID AND I CAN SEE WHY.<br />
HE IS THE KEY SO HE LEAVES AND NOW I HAVE LOST MY JOB BECAUSE WE ARE A TEAM.<br />
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I AM FIRED BUT I MIGHT AS WELL BE BECAUSE WITHOUT HIM I HAVE LOST MY JOB BECAUSE OUR COMPANY IS A TEAM.</div>
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And he needs an editor. It's not clear if he means he has to shut down the business, downsize himself or what. But we're supposed to feel bad for him:<br />
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Brent Devlin Hmmm...I smell bs ..</div>
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3 hours ago · 4</div>
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Michael W. Lurie Wolf, you have gained
- not lost - your team. You'll see...</div>
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3 hours ago · 5</div>
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TK Cashwell People everywhere need to
seriously check their priorities.</div>
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3 hours ago · 1</div>
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Lori Ranney</div>
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3 hours ago</div>
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Artcraft Printing all it takes for evil
to prevail is that good men stand by and do nothing.</div>
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3 hours ago · 9</div>
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Glen Hale A situation like this is when
you find out who your true friends are , like a divorce people will
avoid you thinking you will run off with their wife. Stand up for
what you believe and if any thing happens a lot will be asking a lot
more questions..when the shooting starts things go wrong after the
first bullet , make them fight on their knees.</div>
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3 hours ago · 3</div>
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Lois Endress Dial well .. I'm sorry to
hear this ..Looks like he wasn't what you thought he was .. If people
who know you personally and know your character are willing to
distance themselves over a disagreement in politics or ideas then
they weren't that supportive as you thought.</div>
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And Brend Devlin .. you smell BS? yeah.</div>
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3 hours ago · 2</div>
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Lois has reading comprehension problems. Halbig himself said the dispute was about donations, not politics or ideas:<br />
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AND IT IS NOT GOOD FOR OUR COMPANY <b>SINCE I WAS TAKING
DONATIONS WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CSI</b>. </blockquote>
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Less understanding people, familiar with anti-Trust law, might smell money laundering.<br />
Erik, are you paying attention? Still want to run with these loons?<br />
<br />
Another Hooker looks like he gets it and wants Halbig to STFU:<br />
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<a class="UFICommentActorName" data-ft="{"tn":";"}" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/hovercard.php?id=100001350191715&extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4072795874953_3172144:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$author" href="https://www.facebook.com/tony.coty.9">Tony Coty</a><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4072795874953_3172144:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4072795874953_3172144:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4072795874953_3172144:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><a class="profileLink" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/hovercard.php?id=1734090379&extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4072795874953_3172144:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$range0:0" dir="ltr" href="https://www.facebook.com/wolfgang.w.halbig" target="_blank">Wolfgang W Halbig</a><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4072795874953_3172144:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">
you are diverging and not staying focused on your mission. I think this
matter with your friend needs to be a private matter that doesn't have
to be posted. Sorry, but as honest as you are, I feel I need to be
honest with you on your posting irrelevant subject matter to the Sandy
Hook investigation. </span><br data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4072795874953_3172144:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$1:0" /><br data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4072795874953_3172144:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$3:0" /><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4072795874953_3172144:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$4:0">Stay
focused Wolfgang, don't fall into the trap of being distracted by
friends, Comcast, or even the CT police. Just do what you set out to do,
and avoid the collateral information that is not germane to your
mission.</span></span></span></blockquote>
Sorry, Tony, the "mission" includes taking donations, so Halbig is "on topic". If you Hookers wanted to keep it private, mebbe shouldn't have been using Halbig's biz to funnel funds. <i><b>T</b></i><b><i>hen he wouldn't have to explain why he can't do it any more.</i></b><br />
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Thanks for playing.<br />
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<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1061634252147156238.post-58919785661255735412014-03-07T08:08:00.000-08:002014-03-07T08:08:00.534-08:00Calling Erik PearsonWhile <a href="https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=288528814629975&id=153577141458477&stream_ref=10">Wolfgang Halbig is off to annoy the fine folks of Connecticut</a>, we thought we'd take some time to see what makes Erik Pearson tick. Taking a cues from commenters, we're considering the possibility that Pearson is, for lack of a better word, a patsy.<br />
<br />
Admittedly he doesn't seem like a bad guy, a little rough around the edges, but, unlike Tony, doesn't have a rap sheet for anything serious (that we know of). After some discussion with outsiders, it was pointed out we don't want to radicalize "Hookers" who are just misguided and drive them into the arms of the crazy crazies. So we'll back off of Hookers who are just dumb, and save the big guns for the white power, pro nazi freaks or peeps harrassing the survivors. or peeps talking responsibility for creating Hooker platform.<br />
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Which brings us back to Erik. As misguided as he might be, he's still providing a platform for these lies.<br />
<br />
<b>We'd be interested in exactly how Erik got involved in the "Hooker" conspiracy. Where did he first hear about it? Why did it make sense to him?</b><br />
<br />
Looking at the record, the Facebook page Erik runs has been through a couple of revisions. On<a href="http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ATCi2tQm7IkJ:https://www.facebook.com/HoaxAtSandyHook/info+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us"> Feb 14th of this year</a> the about page read:<br />
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Sandy Hook Hoax</div>
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Launched January 1, 2013</div>
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More recently the page reads:<br />
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Basic Info</div>
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Launched January 1, 2013</div>
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About</div>
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Uncovering the TRUTH behind the Sandy
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http://hoaxatsandyhook.blogspot.com/</div>
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They got another admin and some more flavor text. Yay. <br />
What jumps out is this copypasta:<br />
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<b>We at SHH do NOT claim that the
shootings did not take place and that people did not die.</b> </blockquote>
The problem, Erik: most of the people supporting your page, your "cause" and all of the people who invented...that's right INVENTED...the conspiracy ARE saying no one died. <b>That means by promoting the Hooker conspiracy you, Erik, are promoting the claims no one died.</b><br />
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Let's quote(again) the Hooker founder, in a comment he made at your own blog, Erik:<br />
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<cite class="user">Jim Fetzer</cite><span class="icon user"></span><span class="datetime secondary-text">December 21, 2013 at 8:16 AM</span></div>
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Sandy
Hook was a gun-contol psy-op at least two years in the planning. What
we are being told here offers further confirmation that this was an
elaborate, carefully controlled drill to promote a political agenda.
See
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/12/16/sandy-hook-american-gullibility-coming-gulag-usa/
and watch Sofia Smallstorm's "Unraveling Sandy Hook", which I embed
there.</div>
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Now think, Erik, if this was a psyop planned for two years, <b>where's the evidence</b>? The shootings happened in late 2012. That means Fetzer is saying they were being planned in 2010. Ask him what his evidence is. Not a fracking video; just explain when it was being planned in 2010. Should be easy. Or not.<br />
Remember, this guy first claimed Sandy Hook was caused by Mossad:<br />
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<span style="font-size: xx-small;"><b><span id="ctl00_body_spnDetail">Mossad death squads slaughtered American children at Sandy Hook</span></b></span></blockquote>
Erik, what this guy is doing is playing to an extreme racist fringe crowd. The type of crowd that gives red neck a bad name. And he totally changed the story:<br />
First it was Mossad death squads. <br />
Then it was a "psyop" in the making since 2010? <br />
Fetzer changed his story again this year, accusing the school board of a cover up:<br />
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On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 9:23 AM, James Fetzer <><a href="mailto:jfetzer@d.umn.edu" rel="nofollow">jfetzer@d.umn.edu</a> wrote:<br />
<br />
Dear Newtown School Board Members,<br />
<br />
As a former Marine Corps officer, retired university professor and
especially as a journalist for Veterans Today, who has published several
articles about the Sandy Hook event, I would like to have your response
to what Wolfgang Halbig has addressed to you. Wolf is a former Florida
State Trooper, a former school principal and a nationally recognized
expert on school safety. Are you going to respond to his inquiries or
will you pretend you never received them?<br />
<br />
<b>There are multiple indications that you, the Newtown School Board,
have been participating in a cover up of what took place at Sandy Hook
Elementary School.</b> As we have observed in<br />
<br />
<a href="http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/01/07/top-ten-reasons-sandy-hook-was-an-elaborate-hoax/" rel="nofollow">“Top Ten Reasons: Sandy Hook was an Elaborate Hoax”</a>
(with Vivian Lee, Sofia Smallstorm, James Tracy and other members of
the Sandy Hook Research Group), the evidence is simply overwhelming that
what happened was a carefully staged drill and not an actual shooting.<br />
<br />
The questions that Wolfgang has raised are important ones,
especially about the event itself but also about the building, which
have been reported in articles that have appeared in the press,
including “Widespread Haz-Mat Presence Would Have Hampered Sandy Hook
Renovations” by John Voket (2 December 2013), which appeared in The
Newtown Bee. And of course First Selectman Pat Llorda has been quoted
thanking the press for its coverage of the Newtown event.<br />
<br />
The questions that Wolfgang has raised about Sandy Hook Elementary
School are obvious and elementary. As a journalist who has published and
will continue to publish about this event, I want to be sure that I
have my facts straight. So be sure to include me in your response to
Wolfgang. And if you were not participating in a massive hoax to mislead
the American people, inquiring minds want to know.<br />
<br />
Thanks for a prompt response.<br />
<br />
Jim<br />
<br />
James H. Fetzer, Ph.D.<br />
McKnight Professor Emeritus<br />
University of Minnesota Duluth<br />
http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/<br />
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Erik, you don't think you're a "sheep", but if you don't question why this ringleader/expert keeps changing his story, you will be a sheep. <br />
<br />
Think about that. <br />
And think about what <a href="https://www.facebook.com/wolfgang.w.halbig/posts/4070925428193?stream_ref=10">Halbig's doing and how he's raising money</a>:<br />
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To all my new friends and Sandy Hook Puzzle Solvers:<br /> <br />
I will be traveling to Hartford and Newtown shortly to inspect the
United Way Western Ct Charity funds records as to who got what and what
did they provide them United Way that proves that they deserve those
funds such as a death certificate.<br /> <br /> I am sure you don't just pay out $300,000 to someone just on their word or news paper articles.<br /> <br /> It's all about accountability.<br /> <br /> They should have issued everyone a 1099 since it is not an Insurance settlement? <br /> <br /> I made a promise and if you will only help because the attorney costs money.</div>
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Erik, didn't you feel uneasy about the Sandy Hook survivors taking donations? Well, how much more sleazy is this fund raiser?<br />
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Todd V. Swearingen-djAngel Money is
on the way... from me</div>
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9 hours ago · 1</div>
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Nick Ibanez What's ur paypal email,
I want to donate to the fund</div>
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9 hours ago</div>
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Kevin Kelly Someone hook up
Wolfgang W Halbig with a PayPal account!</div>
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9 hours ago · 2</div>
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Wolfgang W Halbig We will have a
web-site called SANDY HOOK JUSTICE with a Pay Pal account
finally...wolf</div>
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9 hours ago · 22</div>
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Kurtis Gaskin I am in. This is too
important to be cheap</div>
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9 hours ago · 3</div>
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Jolie Joseph Rahn Is your paypal page
up, yet Wolgang? Eagerly waiting.</div>
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David Weiss I sent $100 via PayPal to
wolfgang.halbig@comcast.net. If you want to donate now send what you
can to that email address.</div>
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8 hours ago · 3</div>
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David Weiss Wolfgang the donation page
with the paypal link is just going to link to your email address so
there is no reason for people to wait to donate. Even if you decide
to use a separate email address it does t matter they will all link
together and be totally accountable.</div>
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David Weiss Everyone send him money
so he can afford to take some security with him. If you can't afford
$100 send him $5 or what ever you can.</div>
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8 hours ago · 6</div>
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Tonya Chandler Graham David how do
I know this is his paypal account for sure?</div>
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7 hours ago · 1</div>
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David Weiss Ask him.</div>
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7 hours ago</div>
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David Weiss Wolfgang W Halbig
please tell everyone what your email address is and they will send
you money.</div>
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7 hours ago · 1</div>
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Tonya Chandler Graham ok I did
waiting for a reply Thankyou I really want to send money through
paypal</div>
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7 hours ago</div>
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David Weiss He has posted his email
address in other posts. I convinced him to use paypal and sent him
money to show how easy it was.</div>
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Do you people have any idea how wide open this is to fraud and money laundering? Erik, you barely know these people. Your co administrators <a href="https://www.facebook.com/HoaxAtSandyHook/posts/1414278925489067?stream_ref=10">have a dim idea something's wrong</a>, but it like trying to put out a fire with a water gun and arguing what color of plastic is better. <br />
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You people are missing the point: <b>the Hooker conspiracy is a scam.</b><br />
No amount of donations will bring you closer to the "truth". But you will help Fetzer's and company make more money for a while....<br />
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Talk to you soon, Erik.<br />
<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com9tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1061634252147156238.post-17428403185953536682014-03-06T20:38:00.000-08:002014-03-06T20:38:52.276-08:00Sandy Hook Truth ExposedLet's give our fellow anti-Hookers pals a big hand and a big plug:<br />
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<a href="http://sandyhooktruthexposed.blogspot.com/">http://sandyhooktruthexposed.blogspot.com</a><br />
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They're new on the anti-Hooker scene, just revving up this year. While we had some fun being mistaken for each other, and drawing it out for the lulz had some appeal, we decided showing the Hookers there is a growing front of people ready to call their bullshit out for what it is:<br />
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<a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2014/02/boston-bombing-hoaxers-sandy-hook.html">http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2014/02/boston-bombing-hoaxers-sandy-hook.html</a><br />
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Especially if they keep spreading this stuff at Facebook.<br />
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Of course confirmation there is more than one blog "after them" will just confirm Cointelpro/NWO/Mossad have even MORE assets than they thought...<br />
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Why the growth in anti Hooker platforms? From the department of informed speculation:<br />
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The initial Hooker star rose and fell by the middle of 2013. Thoroughly debunked on all fronts, the real press has abandoned the Hookers as a story, barring future publicity stunts. <br />
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But still the march on. After being roundly dismissed even in woo circles, a clique of veteran conspiracy clowns reworked their schtick, roped in Wolfgang Halbig and <a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-return-of-hookers-january-2014.html">lauched the Hooker reboot this year</a>.<br />
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Those of us who thought it was over, found ourselves Facebooked and Tweeted to death out of the blue: WTF? This shit again?<br />
Looks like the Hookers plan to milk this for all their worth, dragging more gullible semi employed peeps in for cannon fodder.<br />
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Now let's look at an except from the SHTE latest blog:<br />
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<a href="http://sandyhooktruthexposed.blogspot.com/2014/03/meet-nutjobs-austin-ashe.html">http://sandyhooktruthexposed.blogspot.com/2014/03/meet-nutjobs-austin-ashe.html</a><br /><br />
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"Not the first time Sandy Hook denial has crossed paths with Holocaust denial."</blockquote>
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"Sandy hook fake 9-11 fake. Boston fake. Jews dying in gas chambers F-A-K-E."</blockquote>
Godwin would be proud. <br />
We don't think this is a coincidence. Remember Halbig's friend and fan <a href="https://www.facebook.com/kristine.kelly.336">Kristine Kelly</a>? She believes "the Jews", or at least Israel, is behind gun control:<br />
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[Full disclosure: we're generally politically liberal and don't think firearm regulations are bad. But we also know many responsible gun owners who may not agree with our politics but <b>are NOT</b> trigger happy, paranoid, racist loons. Ergo there is no excuse for Kelly's abysmal ignorance.]<br />
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Then look at <a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2013/01/james-fetzer-veteran-conspiracy-loon.html">Hooker Pappy Fetzer</a> and his initial "theory" about the shootings:<br />
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<span style="font-size: xx-small;"><b><span id="ctl00_body_spnDetail">Mossad death squads slaughtered American children at Sandy Hook</span></b></span></blockquote>
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<span style="font-size: xx-small;">The
choice appears to be covertly revealing, where “Sandy” means guardian
of men (as an allusion to guns) and “Hook” as a euphemism for hooking,
gathering or confiscating the only weapons that DHS fears. And who
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Anti-Semitism was always at the heart of the Sandy Hook Hoax conspiracy. So it isn't a surprise racists like Kristine Kelly and Holocaust Deniers like Austin Ashe are involved. <br />
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<i>In our humble opinions this is the Hooker base the architects of the Hooker conspiracy are playing to.</i> They played to them hard last year under the cover of second amendment rights, when the white power American Third Position Party(renamed <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Freedom_Party">American Freedom Party</a>] <a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2013/01/gun-appreciation-day-sandy-hook-hoax.html">sponsored Gun Appreciation Day</a>. in the wake of legislation in response to the Sandy Hook shootings. This is what makes us believe most of this conspiracy woo around Sandy Hook is invented to emotionally whip up a fringe right base.<br />
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Not to say other gullible schmucks won't get sucked into the orbit of the Hooker event horizon. But when you have the Hooker granddaddy on record as a Holocaust denier,<br />
[<a href="http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2013/06/jim-fetzers-reasons-to-believe-in.html" rel="nofollow">Jim Fetzer's Reasons to Believe in Holocaust Denial</a>]<br />
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and vocal Hookers as Holocaust deniers,<br />
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then it becomes hard to rationalize the Sandy Hooker Conspiracy as anything but a front for political groups friendly with Holocaust denial. Ignoring that puts anybody just further up<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial"> that river in Egypt</a>. <br />
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The Hookers are fronting people with nasty fringe political agendas. If peeps like Erik Pearson really are just duped goombahs, they better snap out of it before their lives are completely ruined by conspiracy crazies.<br />
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Anyway, visit the "<a href="http://sandyhooktruthexposed.blogspot.com/">Sandy Hook Truth Exposed</a>": link, like, follow and look for it on our sidebar links soon.<br />
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<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com5tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1061634252147156238.post-4243831481019667862014-03-06T17:02:00.000-08:002014-03-06T19:42:41.011-08:00Hooker Hypocrisy for the FAILHookers are obviously liars and conartists. But who knew they were whining babies?<br />
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Okay, okay, we had a clue...remember what's her face who proudly posted as a Hooker at Facebook <i>under her own name</i>? Then made vague threats, <i>then </i>deleted her comment when she realized she sounded like a retard?<br />
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Well, the rest of the Hookers seem to have forgotten the vicious harassment and stalking campaigns against Gene Rosen and the surviving families. See, it's okay to call grieving parents actors and paid shills and claim children who were murdered are really alive and singing at the superbowl, but, watch out if you name the peeps inventing these sick lies. The Hooker will make a video...like this:<br />
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When I saw this it almost made my
blood boil. This blog is actually posting the private information of
Sandy Hook truthers and their families in an effort to get people to
harass them.<br />
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<a class="yt-uix-redirect-link" dir="ltr" href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2014/03/erik-pearson-aka-sandy-hook-hoax-at.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2014/03/erik-pearson-aka-sandy-hook-hoax-at.html">http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2.</a></blockquote>
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Does he mean <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/15/gene-rosen-sandy-hook-conspiracy-theory_n_2481912.html">like GENE ROSEN</a>?<br />
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In the aftermath, Rosen, 69, was interviewed by many of the media
outlets that descended on the small community, and his anguished face
flashed across television screens around the world. <br />
The sincerity of that anguish was questioned by a <a href="http://www.salon.com/2013/01/09/the_worst_sandy_hook_conspiracy_theory_yet/" target="_hplink">group of conspiracy theorists who call themselves "truthers</a>,"
Salon reported earlier this month. These truthers have so far posted
Rosen's personal information online, created fake social media accounts
using his name <a href="http://www.salon.com/2013/01/15/this_man_helped_save_six_children_is_now_getting_harassed_for_it/" target="_hplink">and harassed him via email and phone.</a></blockquote>
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So the Hookers can cry us a fucking river. We're telling people to be POLITE about shaming these hooker clowns. <br />
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The moron doing voice over says we outed Erik Pearson. Which is sorta true, but mostly not since he made it really really easy....<b>by outing himself on his real Facebook page</b>:<br />
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Durr.<br />
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The video isn't academy award material, but these are Hookers. Comments are noteworthy showing irony impairment is epidemic among hookers:<br />
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Good to know they feel intimidated and
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I listed it as harassment and explained
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<i>I hope you're right Kate, for all our
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Get over yourself, conspiracy loon. You're not in any danger from anyone, <i><b>because <span style="color: red;">there is no hooker conspiracy</span></b></i>.<br />
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Oh man, had to stop reading for a good five minutes to stop laughing. Ask us why, lol.<br />
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<a href="https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/conspiracy-nypa-megathread-nwo-zeitgeist-ceragem-omg-help-me-with-my-cause.79101/page-33">Anonymous will not be helping any Hooker</a>. Trust us on this one:<br />
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<i>Like most Hookers, <b><u>Lynda is a liar</u></b></i>. She has never been featured here...though that could change.<br />
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Also, <i>make sure you haven't frigging released your own info yourself</i> while pushing Hooker bs:<br />
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<a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2012/12/jody-paulson-sandy-hook-actingwhat-do.html">Jody Paulson </a><br />
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<a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2013/01/facebook-lori-price-clg.html">Lori Price</a><br />
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<a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2014/02/wolfgang-halbig-you-cant-keep-good.html">Wolfgang Halbig</a><br />
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<a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2014/02/vivian-lee-professor-of-eastern-college.html">Vivian Lee</a><br />
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<a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2014/02/sofia-smallstorm-aka-sofia-shafquat.html">Sofia Smallstorm</a><br />
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<a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2014/02/james-tracy-of-memoryholecom.html">James Tracy</a><br />
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Fuck, these peeps are PROUD "Hookers". Only reason we can think they're so open about it. <br />
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Why all the whining? Imagine if we were claiming their families were fake by picking apart photos these dumbasses have uploaded to Facebook for EVERYONE TO SEE...then they'd have something to cry about.<br />
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<b>Update: More Hooker Lies</b>...whoduhthunk?<br />
[edit: commenters have pointed out the Hooker might be confusing us with <a href="http://sandyhooktruthexposed.blogspot.com/">another blog</a>, because the Hookers have so much fail there's plenty to go around.]<br />
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And now from a <a href="http://gawker.com/the-most-disgusting-aspect-of-the-sandy-hook-truthers-a-477359708">great thread from Gawker pwning Hooker's critiquing survivor's grieving</a>:<br />
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most disgusting aspect of the Sandy Hook Truthers are the "Grief
Police" who seem to think that because one of the victims parents didn't
act in a grieffy enough way, it must be a conspiracy. Any psychologist
or counselor will tell you that there is no "normal" way to grieve. Some
people remain completely stoic and logical; others emotionally break
down. Still others feel so overwhelmed by emotion that they only way
they know how to respond is through laughter or humor. So STFU Sandy
Hook truthers and stop telling people the correct way to grieve.
Especially when giving interviews to the media, many people just aren't
going to become the blubbering walruses that you think all grieving
parents must act like. It's not a conspiracy. It's a diversity of human
emotional responses to an extremely tragic situation. Reality doesn't
fit so neatly into your narrow minded, "it all makes sense," world view. 1/15/13 6:49pm</div>
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Our thoughts exactly. <br />
Only a couple Hookers weigh in in te comments that follow, pretty much proving the "Hooker" truthers are out numbered by sane people. Thank god.<br />
[Hooker comments in <b>Bold</b>]<br />
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If they were blubbering walruses they would be accused of "acting". 1/15/13 8:29pm</div>
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Exactly. I can't even imagine being in their situation, let alone then having my public grieving critiqued. 1/15/13 8:29pm</div>
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i have a very stoic approach to it each grieving process is different god people are dumb 1/15/13 8:45pm</div>
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Also,
drugs. A classmate of mine was killed in a car accident in high school,
her mother was so distraught they had to drug her (Ativan) so she could
get through the memorials and services. My friend's dad committed
suicide, same thing, she and her mother had enough klonopin to last a
lifetime. I hate that these people can't see outside of their own
bullshit. 1/15/13 8:46pm</div>
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Disgusting is right. I can't even begin to conceive of what kind of midset leads to this crap. 1/15/13 9:06pm</div>
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Seriously
- I have to wonder if any of these fucking "Truthers" have ever lost a
loved one? My dad died suddenly a year and a half ago from a heart
attack. He had been a textbook perfect example of "how to not have a
heart attack," so it was completely unexpected. The hospital told us he
passed out at the grocery store, and wouldn't tell us more until we got
there - and in the little private room, like they do. When they told me
my dad had a heart attack and died, I didn't cry. I didn't express
sadness. I just couldn't process it. It seemed like they were talking
about someone else. For the longest time, it seemed like he was on a
long out of town trip, like he sometimes would take. I did cry when I
saw his body, and at the funeral, but the past year and a half has been
so insane and I've spent most of my time taking care of other people
with their own life problems, that I feel like I haven't had time to
grieve. It comes in bursts, but it's not a pattern that anyone can
replicate or assign as "the right way."</div>
I am fucking flabbergasted as these pieces of shits - to let their
paranoia, their masturbatory gun obsession, guide their basic dismissal
of decency and common sense. And further, to harass family members of
the dead. It's fucking unreal and an unforgivable level of assholery. 1/15/13 9:16pm<br />
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I concur. 1/15/13 9:17pm</div>
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Ugh,
no, don't tell them anything involving psychology, they'll just start
in on a satellite rant. They will have already connected it to Hitler in
the time it took me to type this. 1/15/13 9:20pm</div>
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Thank you! A lot of these people were still in such shock and confusion.</div>
It PAINS me to see that Robbie Parker was so scrutinized for
"laughing" before he talked about Emilie. That was most likely a nervous
laugh! None of these people know how to feel!<br />
I hate when they scrutinize Grace's parents too, for smiling while
talking to Anderson Cooper about Grace. They were smiling because they
were talking and reflecting on their beautiful daughter.<br />
I completely reiterate what stacyinbean said, so many of these people
are on drugs to just get through their fucking day and can still barely
come to the realization that their most precious loves, their children,
are gone.<br />
As a resident of Newtown, I am truly disgusted with all the people
that are believing this. My town is still grieving and heartbroken, and
none of these sick people are helping. 1/15/13 9:28pm<br />
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Thank
you yes. A million times yes. Even understanding a little of grief and
the path these parents are on, I still could never, would never judge
anothers grief. And the premise of the video that these parents must be
actors because well look at that not being X (insert whatever judgement
here) is just so so wrong. </div>
Four years ago tomorrow, our middle daughter died. It was completely
unexpected and outside of anyone's control or foresight. In an instant
we turned batshit-freaking insane. <br />
Example #1. I recall my husband and I making awkward jokes with nurse
while at hospital. Mere hours after she passed. I can't recall what the
joke was even about, but I recall laughing about something. The idea
that my child was dead was something that my head could not begin to
comprehend and so in some illogical flight of fancy, we laughed at some
joke. <br />
Example #2. On our drive home from the hospital without our beloved
child, I asked my husband if we needed to stop at Costco.
Stop.at.Costco. COSTCO! <br />
Example #3. Did you read #2 where I asked my husband if we should stop at Costco on our way home? <br />
Example #4. I manically cleaned the house for days and I'm not a
fastidious cleaner. When someone looked at me with those sad sad eyes
and asked me how we were doing, I'd reply all chipper like, 'we are
going to make something positive and beautiful of her memory, we'll
change the world for her'. I was so positive and chipper and full of
saving the world.<br />
Reality, or 'grief' as the world likes to judge took weeks to set in.
When it did the firestorm of attention had started to die down as well,
so I don't think that most even realized the full depth of pain we
felt. They'd only seen us brave and strong and full of beautiful
memories and tributes. The reality of a devastating loss like we
experienced is now something we feel deeply every day. <br />
Everyday we wake up without our daughter. Everyday those Newtown
parents will wake up without their bright eyed and beautiful little
children. My heart breaks for them. Do not judge their grief by the few
moments you see in a snippet of video, for heaven forbid you ever
experience yourself the day to day reality of life after loss. 1/15/13 9:36pm<br />
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He probably hadn't even accepted it yet. It took me two days before I finally had a massive screeching cry over my dead dog. 1/15/13 9:41pm</div>
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Considering
your reaction, the only logical conclusion I can make is that your
daughter never died, and you are taking part in a government conspiracy. 1/15/13 9:48pm</div>
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Right! I know! Or there was a glitch in the matrix or something. :/ 1/15/13 9:52pm</div>
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Exactly what I was saying. 1/15/13 9:55pm</div>
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May I quote this on FB? It's just perfect. 1/15/13 9:58pm</div>
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when Robbie Parker went from laughing casually to poorly acted
hyperventilating once he realized the cameras were on him- you're saying
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That made me cry... because I can't find and mistakes in it! No, it's just sad... 1/15/13 10:02pm</div>
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It took me a month... except I hid in the closet and cried so no one would hear me. 1/15/13 10:05pm</div>
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Definitely! 1/15/13 10:08pm</div>
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you
are so patriotic, but sadly you are wrong. i can not name my inside
sources who work with the government, but yes, this was stage to affect
millions of americans to give in to ban gun laws in the long run.
remember my words, Obama not long from now will deliver a speech on
possible banning guns if not almost impossible to obtain a gun legally
through all kinds of paper work and drug test of individual and family
members. 1/15/13 10:16pm</div>
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<b>Actually
the "parents" acted and looked like they just spent a week at a spa.
Sandy Hook is a "Psy Op". 100% staged. No real victims. Stop being
Sheople, people :) 1/15/13 10:23pm</b></div>
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egads. My head is spinning from the judgement you are spewing.</div>
No, it was his way of being human. And it wouldn't have made for an
interesting conspiracy soundbite if they'd showed even a glimpse of
their behind the scenes grieving process. The video didn't show any of
that now did it?<br />
Child death messes with a parents mind in an absolutely
incomprehensible way. Even now I can't get my own head back in that
space it was in at the time our daughter died. It was literally like I
existed in an alternate reality and we had no media scrunity and no
conspiracy theorists dissecting our every word or action.<br />
He laughed for 30 seconds for whatever reason then was shocked back
to reality that he had to speak of his dead.daughter.on.camera. Just
being on camera alone without any of the reality of having experienced
the murder of your dear child makes plenty of grownups turn into
caricatures of themselves. <br />
And someone started a FB page for our daughter the day she died as
well. Just hours after. Oh and for the record, if we were to meet the
president and our littlest wanted to wear her deceased big sisters red
and black dress that was her big sisters favorite, I guarantee you the
answer would be yes. You know, just to give the conspiracy theorists
more crap to spew. 1/15/13 10:24pm<br />
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My
mother died when I was 14. Same deal. It was sudden and unexpected for
us, too- she died a few months after being told she had beat her cancer
because her body decided to reject her bone marrow transplant and the
local doctors were too incompetent to see what was going on. In my case,
we had hope for a few weeks while she was responding to treatment, but
at the last moment she took a drastic turn for the worse, so in that
sense we got pounced on twice. Anyway, enough time passed between her
initial trip to the hospital and her death that I actually went home
(200 miles away- she was Careflight-ed to her cancer hospital in
Houston). When we found out she had like 24 hours to live, I couldn't
make myself go and watch her die (at that time, she had been in an
induced coma for more than a week). So for years (I'm 19 now), I've had
these recurring dreams that she isn't really dead, and that she's been
off in the Caribbean or the Himalayas or something for all this time.
But yea, I didn't cry for months- not until I had moved in with my dad
and we hit a rough financial spot, and I was sort of forced to face the
fact that my life had been completely upended, nothing would ever be the
same, and she wasn't ever going to be there to comfort me about it. 1/15/13 10:43pm</div>
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I
second the commenter who suggested drugs as an explanation. My cousin
dropped dead of a heart attack at age 27. To get through his funeral, my
mother, my aunt, and I all took Xanax that a friend gave us. We were
able to talk about Roy and laugh as we remembered funny things about
him. We could not have cried if we tried. I did try to cry because I
felt weird sitting at his funeral dry eyed. I felt like others were
looking at us weird because we weren't crying. I'm sure parents dealing
with the death of their young child AND the national news media would
have what we call here in the south "nerve pills." 1/15/13 11:06pm</div>
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That's
exactly what I've been trying to express to morons who want to judge
these parents by their very human reactions to this unimaginable
tragedy. I'm so sorry for your terrible loss, but thank you for sharing
your story. 1/15/13 11:49pm</div>
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Without
even watching the entire Robbie Parker speech, my initial thought was
"I wonder if he's a member of LDS". People handle grief in many
different ways, especially those of certain religious sects. And
immediately, his use of language and whole demeanor just screamed LDS to
me. 1/16/13 12:23am</div>
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As your post so clearly demonstrates... 1/16/13 12:34am</div>
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ok
so i don't emote when tragic shit happen''s like the late great george
carlin once said remember when it didn't take a national tragedy to get
people to care yeah something like that and yes people are dumb just
look at our national literacy rate just wonderful 1/16/13 1:02am</div>
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no word's to describe how sad and utterly idiotic this shit is 1/16/13 1:03am</div>
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Don't
get pulled into these conspiracy theorists' warped logic; these people
don't really care about the grieving practices over the victims of Sandy
Hook. They already have the story written in their heads, and their now
just looking for any slice of bullshit they can get their hands on to
validate their beliefs. To respond to their claims in any way other than
disgust is pointless. 1/16/13 1:20am</div>
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True.
Me, I deal with tragedy by replacing it with anger. I push the sadness
down as much as I can (but it sometimes comes up) and look for
someone/something to blame, so I can focus my emotions on being angry.
If I was a parent who lost a kid in this shooting, damn right I'd be
crying, but I'd also be angry at Lanza and complaining that he died,
which meant I'd never be able to get my revenge. 1/16/13 3:57am</div>
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I'm
sorry for your loss, HBDC. The same thing (sudden fatal heart attack)
happened to my dad over 10 years ago, and I still haven't taken time to
grieve. In the moment, there was so much stuff and so many people to
take care of, and then more shit happened, and then it was 10 years
later. 1/16/13 4:11am</div>
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I'm
sorry for your loss; I'm sure it hurts every day, but the anniversaries
can be especially difficult. Your sense of humor can help carry you
through a lot; thank you for sharing a little bit with us.<a class="reply-permalink proxima js_endoftext" href="http://gawker.com/im-sorry-for-your-loss-im-sure-it-hurts-every-day-but-477360659" target="_self"> 1/16/13 4:16am</a></div>
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Don't
bother preaching to me, sweetie. Just...keep it to yourself. At least
until you learn how to use "shift" and punctuation, that is. 1/16/13 6:47am</div>
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Funny
thing is, we all talk about taking time to grieve, or tell others that
they need to take time to grieve, but what does that even mean? It's not
like its an activity that you can schedule. For most of us, grief isn't
an emotion, it's just a giant hole in your life that you learn to
accommodate. Personally, I cry over petty arguments and bad haircuts,
but not the big stuff. If my child was suddenly shot dead at school, I
doubt I could put on a show spectacular enough to satisfy these
conspiracy nutjobs who have appointed themselves the arbiters of grief. 1/16/13 6:55am</div>
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The
thing that amazes me is — I don't feel like I've lead an especially
sheltered life, where grief is concerned. I've lost my grandparents,
I've lost other relatives, I've seen people I love lose close friends,
etc. And, while none of those people were children (thank god) I don't
think I've ever seen <i>anything</i> like the kind of public wailing and
torrents of tears the conspiracy buffs seem to think is the One True
Way to grieve. I'm sure it's something that happens occasionally —
people grieve in all different ways — but it seems to be very much an
outlier. 1/16/13 8:45am</div>
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I'm
so sorry. It's awful, isn't it? It seems to be happening in a different
room, or to someone else, or in a different country. And yet it's a
huge huge thing, but somehow all the world around you is the same, when
it feels like it should be incredibly different and changed. 1/16/13 9:21am</div>
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<b>The
crying thing is the only little bit you took from the whole video? How
can you argue about the little girl who was allegedly killed in the
shooting but was seen in a photo with Obama after the shooting OR the
several websites created days before the shooting in commemoration for
something that hadn't happened yet? Pull your head out of your ass. 1/16/13 9:39am</b></div>
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All
people deal with grief in a different way and yes, for some, that means
laughing and joking. I've seen a friend die on the ice right in front
of me while I was playing hockey and 30-45mins later, we were making
jokes and laughing. It was a horrible situation but some of us coped
with it that way, others went and got drunk, others cried, others got
angry, others showed no emotion.</div>
Just because someone doesn't wail and cry doesn't mean they aren't heartbroken. 1/16/13 10:17am<br />
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I
am so sorry for the loss of your dad and I totally relate to your
experience. I lost my dad almost 3 years ago now to ALS. It was a
19-month battle against a relentless and horrible disease that left him
completely paralyzed and STILL I was shocked when he died. Grieving does
not occur in a progressive way. It is not a straight line from point A
to point B. Grief ebbs and flows, even hours after the loss occurs. I
remember when my mom, my sister and I were at the funeral parlor, just
hours after my dad died and I spoke to the mortician and started
rambling a little about how gorgeous my dad was, telling him to take
extra special care to make him look good because he was so exceptionally
good looking and it's not because I'm biased it's just a fact... and my
sister and mom started giggling. Then we looked at each other and
laughed. If cameras had been rolling, people could have taken our laugh
as evidence that we weren't upset my dad died. </div>
Anyway I'm with you on these moronic conspiracy theorists, they
disgust me and I feel so awful for the families that not only have to go
through such a traumatic loss but also have their grief publicly judged
and be subjected to this level of assholery. 1/16/13 10:33am<br />
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I
attended the funeral of one of the children and I know a few parents
were on valium to help them get through the all the funerals they would
be attending. Imagine burying your child, his teacher and his entire
class over the span of 5 days! 1/16/13 11:40am</div>
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My
mom was in detox on Christmas eve when I was, ten or eleven. The nurse
brought her orange juice, and she asked if there was vodka in it
jokingly. The nurse looked at her and said, "I don't think that's very
funny. It's Christmas Eve and you've got two little kids at home." 1/16/13 12:44pm</div>
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It's
not the fact that he was smiling what upsets me, it's the fact that as
soon as he was told they were ready to film he immediately changed his
face and went into sad mode. They way you see him preparing himself to
film is the same way actors do. I know this has some pretty awful
implications because the public is really divided on the whole gun
control issue and no one wants to believe the government would do such a
thing, but just think of the possibility of it being staged, I think
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Or,
you know, he could have been putting on a brave/laughing face for the
reporters and the moment he opened his mouth to start talking about how
his six year old daughter died, he hyperventilated and started to lose
it. That's, you know, basically how fucking overwhelming grief works.
Have you never started to talk about something only to be caught off
guard by how opening your mouth just brings on totally overwhelming
feeling?</div>
Whatever, I don't know why I'm responding to you. This entire line of
reasoning, exemplified by your comment, is morally repulsive,
disgusting, revolting, and just makes me think you are a fucking
horrible person. In fact, I'm certain of it. Enjoy going through life as
a fucking horrible person. <br />
I'm so sorry that the fact that he was smiling "upsets you." That's definitely the thing to be upset about here. 1/16/13 3:46pm<br />
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<b>"It's not the fact that he was smiling what upsets me" Learn how to read!</b></div>
<b>I know grief, I don't need anyone to tell me how it works or how it
doesn't. If you cannot separate yourself emotionally from this stuff and
avoid calling arguments 'morally repulsive, disgusting, revolting' then
you are not capable of distancing yourself enough the issue as to be
able to formulate an unbiased opinion.</b><br />
<b>Kids die every single day, it's sad but nevertheless a fact. People
need to stop getting emotional about this stuff in order to find the
cause of the problem. Why can we not question anything anymore without
being called crazy, stupid or a fucking horrible person? This is
ridiculous! 1/16/13 4:11pm</b><br />
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Please
remind me that I have no humane sense of perspective the moment I
respond to a story about twenty 6 and 7 year olds being slaughtered in a
school with "kids die every single day." That's rich. </div>
Sure, I agree we need to get at the cause of the problem. You're
being very helpful in this regard by suggesting the cause of the problem
is some grand conspiracy proven by some guy not expressing his grief in
the way that you think is normal. Thank you for your contributions. <br />
Okay, I've now learned to read, and in reading I see that what upsets
you in all of this is his "actor mode." Point taken, that is definitely
the thing to get upset about here. 1/16/13 5:50pm<br />
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And
yeah, man, sorry, but you are a horrible human being if you can watch a
video of a guy breaking down in front of cameras describing the murder
of his six year old daughter and think "hey, that guy's ACTING, THIS IS A
FRAUD." 1/16/13 5:52pm</div>
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<b>You're
right, there are many ways to react to a tragedy. But, is there a way
to react to obamas photo being taken with a girl who was killed? Emilie
was said to of been killed, but her photo is taken with Obama. Can you
please explain that one, oh grief counselor? 1/16/13 9:17pm</b></div>
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You can question things without being crazy, stupid, or fucking horrible. It's just that you're not doing that. 1/16/13 10:17pm</div>
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No. You'll just have to prove that you're not inbred in order to have a gun. 1/16/13 10:20pm</div>
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<b>You
sir are an idiot. Some remain completely 'stoic' and 'logical' huh? A
psych. would also tell you if someone is crying hysterically they shed
TEARS. It is impossible as a human to feel emotion to the point of
sobbing, yet never release any liquid from the lacrimal glands. Again,
lack of education when making such a bold statement is not advisable. WE
are not telling anyone how to grieve, WE are looking for the TRUTH. WE
feel the the families and American people need the answers to what
actually happened. Pearl Harbor, JFK, MLK, Oklahoma City bombings,
original Trade center bombings, 9-11(how odd they chose such a
significant day. 911 will always resonate in your head because of the
emergency number tie. Purposely done.)Columbine, Aurora, Sandy. A major
piece of legislation has almost always been passed post event and we
went to war for three of those. These things are staged so the elite can
get whatever laws they want passed, or so that they can convince the
masses we need to go to war. It's disgusting actually, thousands dead on
9-11, and there is a no doubt those buildings came down in 'demolition'
manner. Thousands of lives losst and counting and we still think Osama
had something to do with it. C'mon man! 9 of the hi jackers are still
alive! But back to Sandy Hook, people sometimes laugh when upset,
sometimes cry and sometimes lash out, so yeah people respond in
different manners but again, If you sob there has to be tears. I have
seen interviews from that fateful day as well as the days following, I
watched them all.....NO TEARS! #falseflag 1/17/13 8:06am</b></div>
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<b>Not
grieving and LAUGHING are two very different things....I'm not saying
this didn't happen I'm just saying that this video raises a number of
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"Why can we not question anything anymore without being called crazy, stupid or a fucking horrible person?"</div>
Have you ever heard of the phrase "ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer"? 1/17/13 3:13pm<br />
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Seek help. 1/17/13 3:22pm</div>
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Seek help. 1/17/13 3:23pm</div>
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I
cannot imagine your grief or sense of loss. That you could come here in
the face of this ugliness and offer your story bespeaks a courage I do
not have and that the "truthers" cannot even grasp. 1/17/13 11:00pm</div>
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very
true. my father died very suddenly and unexpectedly of a heart attack
when i was 15 years old. i reacted in two ways: firstly, i went blank.
just turned off all emotion. no tears, no despair. after about a week, i
stuck with the lack of emotion but added sick humor- cracking wildly
inappropriate jokes about my father's death (in large part due to the
fact that my father had an... 'unconventional' sense of humor, and i
think i was trying to honor that by being irreverent and poking fun at
the situation his death left us in.) tears and wailing is not the only
way to grieve. 1/18/13 1:08am</div>
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ah,
wow :) when my father died, at his wake, i remember talking with his
french hairstylist (my dad collected unusual people), and we both
decided that the mortuary had fucked up his hair- so she and i went
about fussing over his hair while he was laying in his casket, only
stopping when we were satisfied with how mussed up it was (the way he
usually wore it). we smiled and laughed with each other while fixing
this dead man's hair. if someone had recorded us then, they could have
accused me of being a bad daughter, not grieving 'correctly' for him-
and they wouldn't understand anything. thanks for sharing that story. 1/18/13 1:20am</div>
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"For most of us, grief isn't an emotion, it's just a giant hole in your life that you learn to accommodate."</div>
that is.. perfect. exactly that. thank you for finding such words. 1/18/13 1:29am<br />
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Exactly.
That is a touching story, thanks for sharing. I think it is perfectly
normal to be able to laugh occasionally when someone you love dies. Your
relationship with them does not die and the joy and good things they
brought to your life are still with you and part of grieving 'correctly'
(if there is such a thing) is remembering the person's life and
exuberance not just focus on how horrific and tragic their death has
been. Or something like that... I don't know. I just know what I
experienced and how I can relate to someone cracking a smile or breaking
into a laugh so soon after a loved one has died. 1/18/13 12:28pm</div>
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Why
won't people like you get psychiatric help? Why do you instead inflict
your delusions on others, and worse - use the deaths of children to
further your sick and twisted paranoias? You have no shame. You sicken
me. I hope you make the mistake of sounding off to one of the grieving
parents, and face some physical consequences. But you're far too
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Yes, very easily:</div>
http://metabunk.org/threads/1054-Debunked-Emily-Parker-Still-Alive-after-Sandy-Hook<br />
(By the way, next time, make sure your bullshit isn't so easily disprovable before you decide to act smug) 2/08/13 6:47pm<br />
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"distancing yourself enough the issue as to be able to formulate an unbiased opinion."</div>
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"They way you see him preparing himself to film is the same way actors do."<br />
I can tell how unbiased you are by the way immediately assume he was
"preparing himself to film" despite having nothing to back up that
assertion. Nope, you definitely don't have any preconceived notions
about this! 2/08/13 9:59pm<br />
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<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1061634252147156238.post-25576980322942198792014-03-04T11:51:00.000-08:002014-03-07T08:29:46.742-08:00Erik Pearson aka "Sandy Hook Hoax" at Facebook<i>Mar 6: For update on what horrible people we are for outing someone who linked to his Hooker material ON HIS REAL FACEBOOK PAGE read here</i>:<br />
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<a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2014/03/hooker-hypocrisy-for-fail.html">http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2014/03/hooker-hypocrisy-for-fail.html</a><br />
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<i>Mar 7: What makes Erik tick?</i><br />
<a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/calling-erik-pearson.html">http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/calling-erik-pearson.html</a><br />
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It was only a matter of time before the not so anonymous creator of the Sandy Hook Hoax conspiracy page at Facebook got out of the bag. Thanks to a tip at Facebook we know we have Erik Pearson to thank for hosting a Facebook page pissing over the graves of dead children:<br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/xi0n213">https://www.facebook.com/xi0n213</a><br />
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Erik is a "hooker" from Arizona but lives in Washington(state), and is engaged. Awwww.<br />
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Uncovering the TRUTH behind the Sandy Hook massacre.</div>
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21 January 1974</div>
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Looks like the one good thing about becoming a "hooker" is it got him to quit drinking. Leaving the question open to WTF is he on now?<br />
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He also has over 5,000 photos (!) which we'll take our time picking apart for "fakes":<br />
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For instance this cat CAN'T be real...as another person says, it LOOK EXACTLY LIKE THEIRS. And ERIK ADMITS IT!!!!11!!!<br />
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What more proof do you need this cat is a FAKE? Probably photoshoped from the humane society.<br />
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Erik can also be found on twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/xi0n213">https://twitter.com/xi0n213</a><br />
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Where he claims to be a father of six and plays poker. <a href="https://twitter.com/xi0n213/status/426604376262983680">He also feels strongly about insulting</a> the survivors of the Sandy Hook shootings:<br />
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This greedy bitch disgusts me. She thinks that the general public OWES her because her son died. What a piece of... <a class="twitter-timeline-link" data-expanded-url="http://fb.me/31jC2PG0r" dir="ltr" href="http://t.co/NaK7iUsoVU" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="http://fb.me/31jC2PG0r"><span class="tco-ellipsis"></span><span class="invisible">http://</span><span class="js-display-url">fb.me/31jC2PG0r</span></a></div>
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Actually is was less about the money and more about <a href="http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/investigations/Noah-Pozner-Sandy-Hook-Newtown-Shooting-Trust-Feud--207293661.html">not getting the correspondence from sympathizers</a>. But Hookers are good at cherry picking to their little heart's content. Readers can pic apart this photo of Erik's obviously fake kid. Sorry, face pixelized just to be safe from the NWO thugs /sarc:<br />
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Erik also has a Youtube channel were he really isn't trying to hide his Hooker hobby:<br />
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He probably thinks he's being all artsy and edgy. Peeps should go to his <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsHBINGhGzQ">one Hooker video</a> and tell him how you feel about spreading lies about dead children and their survivors. Or go to his blog:<br />
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Be warned: Erik is irony impaired as <a href="http://hoaxatsandyhook.blogspot.com/2013/12/our-interview-with-first-responder.html#comment-form" rel="nofollow">comments on his blog</a> show:<br />
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would I censor that? I think that was beautiful. The obituary was only a
small piece of a touching memorial written by my sister in law. The
donations we raised were all used to cremate Ryder. I have no reason to
hide any of it. The donation site was up for less than 2 weeks and once
we raised enough to cover the cost, it was shut down. It wasn't created
to make some foundation or finance a playground or send Kandi and I on
lavish trips. We put our son to rest and that was the end of it.</div>
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death was a HOAX. He didn't die, I saw pictures of him. I saw Ryder
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Now the survivors are supposed to have taken "lavish trips"? Okayyyy.....<br />
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Hook was a gun-contol psy-op at least two years in the planning. What
we are being told here offers further confirmation that this was an
elaborate, carefully controlled drill to promote a political agenda.
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Are we being mislead yet again?? Is Putin really secretly working with BO and the elite?? NWO??</div>
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It's not surprising<a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-return-of-hookers-january-2014.html"> James Fetzer is leading the charge</a>. But what about the other Hookers of --literally--yesteryear?<br />
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<a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2012/12/jody-paulson-sandy-hook-actingwhat-do.html">Jody Paulson</a> has never retracted. And she's at it again, backing up Halbig, with links to other conspiracy spambots like "northerntruthseeker"," willyloman", and "washington's blog":<br />
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<i>I first heard about this </i><i>Dave Gahary interview from <a href="http://northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow" target="mega_body">NTS</a>, I think, but didn't have time to listen to it. Then <a href="http://willyloman.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow" target="mega_body">American Everyman</a> mentioned it again, so I listened to it and trust me, it really is worth listening to. <a href="http://www.washingtonsblog.com/" rel="nofollow" target="mega_body">Washington's blog</a> outlines these major points:</i><br />
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Wolfgang Halbig has the perfect combination of expertise to evaluate what happened at Sandy Hook Elementary School:<br />
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<li>law enforcement: Florida State Trooper, US Customs Agent.</li>
<li>education: teacher, assistant principal, principal.</li>
<li>current school safety expert: trained key personnel at over 4,000 US school districts, and over 3,500 school safety officers.</li>
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His conclusion after ten months of motivated investigation:<br />
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“In my professional opinion, [Sandy Hook was] a scripted event… in planning for maybe two, two and a half years.”</blockquote>
Uh huh. Don't forget the zoloft. <br />
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The<a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2012/12/sandy-hook-hoax-blog.html"> original SHH conspiracy blog</a> remains, though it's abandoned and the Google+ profile has been deleted.<br />
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The <a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2012/12/yahoo-groups-planehuggers-anonymous.html">bizarre Planehuggers Anonymous</a> platform still exists, asking such questions like, <a data-rapid_p="5" href="https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/planehuggers/conversations/messages/14562" id="yui_3_14_0_1_1393268562811_846" title="Is The Diary of Anne Frank genuine?">Is The Diary of Anne Frank genuine?</a> (Yes it is, douchnuts)<br />
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But at least they haven't been pushing Hooker BS since Dec 2013.<br />
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The <span class="entity _586o" data-fulltext="Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting Was A Hoax" data-group="all" data-icon="null" data-select="group" data-si="true" data-text="Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting Was A Hoax" data-type="ent:page" data-uid="464112170320179"><a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2012/12/sandy-hook-elementary-shooting-was.html" rel="nofollow">Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting Was A Hoax</a> Facebook page seems to be abandoned, though there is a replacement.(blog soon)</span><br />
<span class="entity _586o" data-fulltext="Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting Was A Hoax" data-group="all" data-icon="null" data-select="group" data-si="true" data-text="Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting Was A Hoax" data-type="ent:page" data-uid="464112170320179"><br /></span>
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<span class="entity _586o" data-fulltext="Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting Was A Hoax" data-group="all" data-icon="null" data-select="group" data-si="true" data-text="Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting Was A Hoax" data-type="ent:page" data-uid="464112170320179"><a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2013/01/facebook-lori-price-clg.html">Lori Price </a>of CLG aka Legitgov was back Dec in her supporting role <a href="https://www.facebook.com/legitgov/posts/10152469584637678?stream_ref=10" rel="nofollow">pushing this conspiracy frau</a>d:</span><br />
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<span class="entity _586o" data-fulltext="Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting Was A Hoax" data-group="all" data-icon="null" data-select="group" data-si="true" data-text="Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting Was A Hoax" data-type="ent:page" data-uid="464112170320179">But Tom Retterbush's <a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2013/01/conspiracy-watch-another-facebook-idiot.html">Conspiracy Watch page</a> is dead. Does that mean he got a clue? Not likely because he just made<a href="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Conspiracy-Watch/115534755190836" rel="nofollow"> a different page</a> with the same shit conspiracy shit. But he seems to be avoiding "Hooker" bs for now.</span><br />
<span class="entity _586o" data-fulltext="Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting Was A Hoax" data-group="all" data-icon="null" data-select="group" data-si="true" data-text="Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting Was A Hoax" data-type="ent:page" data-uid="464112170320179"><br /></span>
<span class="entity _586o" data-fulltext="Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting Was A Hoax" data-group="all" data-icon="null" data-select="group" data-si="true" data-text="Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting Was A Hoax" data-type="ent:page" data-uid="464112170320179">His <a href="https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201522568094113&set=a.1998459129164.2104407.1474105129&type=1&stream_ref=10" rel="nofollow">post about mistakes</a> is ironic:</span><br />
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wants to admit they're wrong these days. Nobody wants to accept
responsibility for their mistakes. </i>This denial goes all the way to the
White House, where sits a President who "sees no evil, hears no evil and
speak no evil", even when the lives of his Ambassador and Marines were
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<span class="entity _586o" data-fulltext="Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting Was A Hoax" data-group="all" data-icon="null" data-select="group" data-si="true" data-text="Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting Was A Hoax" data-type="ent:page" data-uid="464112170320179">Now if he could just share that with his Hooker friends.</span><br />
<span class="entity _586o" data-fulltext="Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting Was A Hoax" data-group="all" data-icon="null" data-select="group" data-si="true" data-text="Sandy Hook Elementary Shooting Was A Hoax" data-type="ent:page" data-uid="464112170320179"><br /></span>
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A player in the recent Sandy Hook Conspiracy reboot, James Tracy runs a conspiracy website called the "memoryhole", a name shamelessly exploiting the public's mistrust of faceless agencies and their institutional flubs.<br />
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But it's a long way from flubs or political tone deafness to a deliberate conspiracy to fake the murders of children and attacking the survivors as "actors".<br />
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The "MemoryHole" is promoted by loons like Vic Sadot, supposedly a "truth troubador", which seems to be someone with musical talent who's swallowed way too much Kool aid:<br />
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https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sf911truth/YR_gWXBSwRY/losQW6ZljSsJ<br />
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<pre>From: Vic Sadot <truthtroubadour@gmail.com>
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<span class="GOMORGBCO3B" id="t-t">9/11 in the Academic Community – Docu Review @MemoryHoleBlog.com 8-7-13</span></div>
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in the Academic Community – MemoryHoleBlog.com 8-7-13 by Dr. James
Tracy: </b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">“</span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">Coming
this fall, 9/11 in the Academic Community, a Winner of the University
of Toronto Film Festival, is a unique film that documents academia’s
treatment of critical perspectives on 9/11 by exploring the taboo
that shields the American government’s narrative from scholarly
examination. Through a powerful reflection on intellectual courage
and the purpose of academia, the film aims at changing intellectual
discourse on 9/11 and the War on Terror.” </span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><a href="http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/08/07/911-in-the-academic-community/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://memoryholeblog.com/<wbr></wbr>2013/08/07/911-in-the-<wbr></wbr>academic-community/</a>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><b>Sandy
Hook and the Boston Bombing: You’ve Been Hoodwinked –
MemoryHoleBlog.com 8-6-13 Gurst Post by Tyranny News Network:</b></span><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">
Video Analysis and Commentary (32:12) - "The burning question on some
minds is, does the government run psy-ops against its own people?
False-flag attacks and the like. The answer is yes, as both the
evidence going back decades and the government’s irrefutable
admissions proves. Just because talking heads on TV tell you it’s
crazy to believe such things doesn’t make it any less true... Their
job is and always has been to sell you the government and the
construct of our society, among other things. So, with that in mind I
give you, “Sandy Hook & the Boston Bombing: You’re Being
Hoodwinked.”
</span><span style="color: #666666;"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"><a href="http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/08/06/sandy-hook-and-the-boston-bombing-youve-been-hoodwinked/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://memoryholeblog.com/<wbr></wbr>2013/08/06/sandy-hook-and-the-<wbr></wbr>boston-bombing-youve-been-<wbr></wbr>hoodwinked/</a>
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<span style="font-size: medium;"><b style="color: black;">Vic Sadot</b> is a singer-songwriter based in <b>Berkeley, CA</b> who is best known for his tribute song to the late-great <b>Phil Ochs, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9bkyjTN0Lw" target="_blank"><span style="color: #cc0000;">"Broadside Balladeer"</span></a></b>, his song in support of Private Bradley Manning, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TISIoFBmUFc" target="_blank"><b style="color: #cc0000;">"Courage To Resist"</b></a>, and his 9/11 Truth hit on internet-only NoLiesRadio.org, <a href="http://youtu.be/1GHNqdEt8sA" target="_blank"><b style="color: #cc0000;">"Cheney's in the Bunker"</b></a>. <b>Vic</b> is available for solo bookings & political prote<span style="color: black;">sts in the San Francisco Bay Area. </span><b style="color: black;">In addition to gmail, Vic</b><span style="color: black;"> is </span><b style="color: #3333ff;">TruthTroubadour</b><span style="color: black;"> at </span><b style="color: black;">Twitter, Blip TV, </b><span style="color: black;"><b>YouTube</b>, and</span><b style="color: black;"> Blogspot</b><span style="color: black;">. <br />
</span><b style="background-color: white;"><span style="color: #38761d;"><a href="http://www.vicsadot.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Official Website for Vic Sadot Music</a></span></b></span><br />
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<span style="font-size: medium;"><span style="color: #38761d;"><b><a href="http://www.soundcloud.com/broadsideballadeer" target="_blank">New Free Vic Sadot Topical Songs at Sound Cloud!</a><br />
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<b><span style="color: red;">Hear Vic's Songs & get FREE mp3's at:<br /><a href="http://www.last.fm/music/vic+sadot" target="_blank">Vic Sadot Songs & Lyric Blogs at Last FM</a></span></b></span><br />
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<span style="color: #274e13; font-size: medium;"><a href="http://truthtroubadour.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><b style="background-color: white;">Truth Troubadour Blog at Blogspot</b></a></span></div>
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<a href="http://hearitlocal.com/#%21/sf/as_artists?detailID=10761" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"><span style="color: #cc0000; font-size: medium;"><b>Book Truth Troubadour Vic Sadot at Your House Party! Hear It Local!</b></span></a></div>
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So According to Vic , Tracy is a doctor(!). <br />
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Mm...Vic Just might get his own page at this rate.<br />
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James Tracy seems committed to spreading the Hooker conspiracy, going on rightwing radio to attention whore the crap out of it:<br />
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Barrett is joined by James Tracy and Jim Fetzer on Truth Jihad Radio
for February 21, 2014. They discuss recent developments in research on
the Sandy Hook massacre and Boston Marathon bombing events, including
the article, “Top Ten Reasons Sandy Hook Was an Elaborate Hoax,” the history of false flag terror, and milquetoast university administrators’ Orwellian quest to stamp out critical thought.<br />
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He must be proud to share the stage with other right-wing loons passing off lies about victims as "research". If Tracy bothered to research <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Barrett" target="_blank">his radio host</a> he might have thought twice. But most people wouldn't want to go on something called "Truth Jihad Radio" in the first place.<br />
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Tracy is also a Holocaust Denial enabler:<br />
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<b>TO: </b>Do you believe the Holocaust happened?<br />
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have to look at it more closely. But there are some beliefs that we as a
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"I'm not an expert"???? Neither is anyone here, yet we can all say, FUCK YEH THE HOLOCAUST HAPPENED. This is just as excuse to hobnob with Holocaust denial loons.<br />
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Tracy was pushing the Sandy Hook "Hoax" at the beginning making him one f the original "Hookers" who probably knows he's pushing a fraud:<br />
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<a href="http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/09/florida-professor-defends-theory-that-newtown-shootings-never-happened/">http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/09/florida-professor-defends-theory-that-newtown-shootings-never-happened/</a><br />
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A communications professor from Florida Atlantic University isn’t
backing down from his theory that the mass killing of 20 children in
Newtown, Connecticut may have never happened. <br />
Writing on his <a href="http://memoryholeblog.com/2012/12/24/the-sandy-hook-massacre-unanswered-questions-and-missing-information/">Memory Hole blog</a>
last month, Professor James Tracy asserted that it was “not
unreasonable to suggest the Obama administration [had] complicity or
direct oversight of an incident that has in very short order sparked a
national debate” on gun control.<br />
“While it sounds like an outrageous claim, one is left to inquire
whether the Sandy Hook shooting ever took place—at least in the way law
enforcement authorities and the nation’s news media have described,” he
declared, noting that no surveillance video of photos of bodies had been
released by authorities. <br />
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“Moreover, to suggest that [President Barack] Obama is not capable of
deploying such techniques to achieve political ends is to similarly
place ones faith in image and interpretation above substance and
established fact, the exact inclination that in sum has brought America
to such an impasse.”<br />
On Tuesday, WPTV <a href="http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/national/prof-newtown-didnt-happen-crisis-actors-may-have-been-employed-by-the-obama-administration">caught up with Tracy</a>,
who also doubts the official versions President John F. Kennedy’s
assassination, the Oklahoma City bombing, the Sept. 11 terrorists
attacks and the mass shooting at a theater in Aurora, Colorado last
year.<br />
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“In terms of saying that Sandy Hook — the Newtown massacre — did not
take place, is really an oversimplification of what I actually said,” he
explained. “I said that I think that there may very well be elements of
that event that are synthetic to some degree, that are somewhat
contrived. I think that, overall, the media really did drop the ball. I
don’t think that they got to the bottom of some of the things that may
have taken place there.”<br />
As for the deaths of 20 elementary children, the professor said, “I think that most likely that took place.”<br />
A spokesperson for Florida Atlantic University on Monday tried to distance the school from Tracy’s views. <br />
“James Tracy does not speak for the university,” media director Lisa Metcalf <a href="http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/palm-beach/fl-fau-prof-newtown-20130107,0,4267958.story">told the <i>Sun Sentinel</i></a>. “The website on which his post appeared is not affiliated with FAU in any way.”</blockquote>
"We barely know the guy!" lol. Comments are awesome too:<br />
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Professor James Tracy asserted that it was “not unreasonable to
suggest the Obama administration [had] complicity or direct oversight"
[in the Sandy Hook Shooting]. <b> Actually, that's quite unreasonable.
It's the definition of unreasonable</b>.</blockquote>
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<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1061634252147156238.post-63964464776360679382014-02-23T21:01:00.000-08:002014-02-24T11:36:38.812-08:00Sofia Smallstorm aka Sofia Shafquat<style type="text/css">P { margin-bottom: 0.08in; }PRE.cjk { font-family: "DejaVu Sans",monospace; }A:link { }</style>
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<br />
Another loon involved with the <a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-return-of-hookers-january-2014.html">rebooted
Hooker conspiracy</a>. Like Fetzer she has a long association
with right wing woo. For instance she's pushed 911 truth
conspiracies for years.<br />
<br />
She made a movie called 9/11 Mysteries, which has a wikipedia
page, but only in German:<br />
<br />
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Mysteries_%E2%80%93_Die_Zerst%C3%B6rung_des_World_Trade_Centers<br />
<br />
She has an IMDB profile: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2423422/<br />
Though a conspiracy movie is all she's known for. A
conspiracy movie <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x250738">she
was sued over</a> by another conspiracy loon. A rainbow of loons supported her:<br />
https://dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/frameup/message/35855<br />
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
Re: Please Help Sofia Shafquat, Creator of "911 Mysteries", She's Being Sued! <br />
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Dick Eastman</div>
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Does
the Siegel video contain anything of importance as evidence that is not
contained in other videos of the event? Is it essential to the message
of Sofia</div>
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Sep 4, 2009</div>
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<br />
<div>
<span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">Does the Siegel video contain anything of
importance as evidence that is not contained in other videos of the event?
Is it essential to the message of Sofia Shafquat's "911 Mysteries"?</span></div>
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</div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: x-small;">Interesting that Barney Frank is also the son of a
big name Mafia figure </span></div>
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----- Original Message -----</div>
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<b>From:</b>
<a href="mailto:denzen@..." rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="denzen@...">galen</a></div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;">
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:9-11-NeXuS@yahoogroups.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="9-11-NeXuS@yahoogroups.com">9-11 NeXuS</a></div>
<div style="font: 10pt arial;">
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:denzen@..." rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="denzen@...">denzen@...</a> ; <a href="mailto:votefraud@..." rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="votefraud@...">Jim Condit</a> ; <a href="mailto:IllusionsNoMore@..." rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="IllusionsNoMore@...">Kelly Connaway</a> ; <a href="mailto:us.exile.govt@..." rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="us.exile.govt@...">Keith
Lampe</a> ; <a href="mailto:bigbucks@..." rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="bigbucks@...">Gary Schofield</a> ; <a href="mailto:peter.myers@..." rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="peter.myers@...">Peter
Myers</a> ; <a href="mailto:innworldreport@..." rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="innworldreport@...">Lenny Charles</a> ; <a href="mailto:peter.phillips@..." rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="peter.phillips@...">Peter
Phillips</a> ; <a href="mailto:jocklerouque@..." rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="jocklerouque@...">Jock Doubleday</a> ; <a href="mailto:oldickeastman@..." rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="oldickeastman@...">Dick Eastman</a> ;
<a href="mailto:jazzyday@..." rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="jazzyday@...">Les
Jamieson</a> ; <a href="mailto:luke@..." rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="luke@...">Luke Rudkowski</a> ; <a href="mailto:alan.miller@..." rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="alan.miller@...">Alan Miller</a> ; <a href="mailto:kenjenkins@..." rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="kenjenkins@...">Ken Jenkins</a> ; <a href="mailto:cbrouillet@..." rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="cbrouillet@...">Carol Brouillet</a>
; <a href="mailto:ritchiegemini@..." rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="ritchiegemini@...">Rich
Scheck</a> ; <a href="mailto:kbarrett@..." rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="kbarrett@...">Kevin
Barrett</a> ; <a href="mailto:bollyn.books@..." rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="bollyn.books@...">Christopher Bollyn</a> ; <a href="mailto:info@..." rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="info@...">Peter Wakefield Sault</a>
; <a href="mailto:p-a-patriot@yahoogroups.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" title="p-a-patriot@yahoogroups.com">PA Patriot</a></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 01, 2009 4:01
PM</div>
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<b>Subject:</b> Please Help Sofia Shafquat,
Creator of "911 Mysteries", She's Being Sued!</div>
<div>
<br /></div>
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<div>
Dear 9-11 Truth Activists, it has come to my attention that Sofia
Shafquat -- creator of "911 Mysteries", to this day one of the best 9-11
documentaries that's been produced -- is being sued (see attached
article). I think we owe it to Sofia to help her raise the money to
fight this lawsuit. Donations can be sent to Sofia at <a href="http://www.911weknow.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.911WeKnow.com</a> (a PayPal link is on the
top right of every page).<br />
<br />
It's important that honest researchers who
are being effective in educating people about what really happened on 9-11 and
who did it ( <a class="ygrps-yiv-576248843moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.whodidit.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.whodidit.org</a> ) are supported by the
broader 9-11 Truth Community when they're attached the way Sofia is being
attacked.<br />
<br />
Please forward this message far and wide.<br />
<br />
For truth
and justice -- galen<span style="font-size: x-small;"><b><span style="color: black; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;"> </span></b></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: x-small;"><b><span style="color: black; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;">InfoGangster Threatens to Sue "911
Mysteries"
Filmmaker</span></b></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: x-small;"><b><span style="color: black; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: medium;">[snip] </span></b></span></div>
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Sofia is also a "chemtrail" expert:<br />
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<blockquote>
http://www.aboutthesky.com/contact-us
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<i>Sofia Smallstorm</i>. </blockquote>
<blockquote>
Address: P.O. Box 698. </blockquote>
<blockquote>
ardiff. California. 92007</blockquote>
Little surprise someone pushing the "Hookers" fraud, is
pushing <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrail_conspiracy_theory#False_evidence_of_chemtrails">the
"chemtrail" fraud</a>. Pushed in all places at the
right wing wacko <a href="https://www.mail-archive.com/apfn@googlegroups.com/msg03069.html">kookfest
known as APFN</a>:<br />
<blockquote>
[APFN] Conspiracy Con on Chemtrails (Sofia Smallstorm) -
Full Length.mp4 - YouTube
</blockquote>
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Fri, 02
Aug 2013 10:01:32 -0700
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<pre class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0.2in; margin-left: 0.39in; margin-right: 0.39in;"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxtYEpx4Bsc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxtYEpx4Bsc</a></pre>
So here she is years later jumping on the Hooker bandwagon, using her Avatar company as a promotional platform:<br />
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<span class="st"><i>Sofia</i> distributes through her online store “<i>Avatar Products</i></span>
</blockquote>
Tell her how you feel:<br />
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
support@avatarproducts.com<br />
http://www.aboutus.org/AvaTarProducts.com<br />
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Company Name </h4>
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Avatar Llc</div>
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Company Contact
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43301 Hagen Ct</div>
<span id="sidebarCompanyCityContent" itemprop="locality">Chantilly</span>,
<span id="sidebarCompanyStateContent" itemprop="region">VA</span>
<span id="sidebarCompanyPostalCodeContent" itemprop="postal-code">20152-1772</span>
</div>
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phone: <span id="sidebarCompanyPhoneContent" itemprop="tel">+1.703.327.0332</span></div>
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© Copyright 2009 Avatar, LLC P.O. Box 698 Cardiff CA 92007 support@avatarproducts.
</blockquote>
<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1061634252147156238.post-82430446839268542982014-02-23T14:34:00.000-08:002014-02-24T11:37:47.915-08:00Vivian Lee Professor of "Eastern College"Vivian Lee is supposed to be one of <a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2014/02/the-return-of-hookers-january-2014.html">the latest clowns</a> pushing the Sandy Hook shootings as a hoax. According to the Veteran's Today Article, Lee is a<i> Ph.D., <b></b></i><br />
and "<i>a Sandy Hook researcher and professor at an East Coast University."</i><br />
<br />
Lee's conspiracy contributions are sparse. She had a guest article at the Memory Hole in Oct 2013:<br />
<br />
http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/10/06/convicted-on-wikipedia/<br />
<br />
Apparently Wikipedia is not to be trusted. <br />
<br />
Lee has a similar bio:<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
*Vivian Lee is an American academic who teaches at an east coast university.</blockquote>
<b></b> Last year in June Viv took a road trip to Sandy Hook and archived the event:<br />
<br />
http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/06/01/a-memorial-day-trip-to-sandy-hook-ct/<br />
<br />
Photos and text by Vivian Lee<br />
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<div id="yui_3_7_2_1_1370021265096_29215">
I took a trip to Sandy Hook [on May 27], entering from Route 34.</div>
<div id="yui_3_7_2_1_1370021265096_29215">
[snip]</div>
<div id="yui_3_7_2_1_1370021265096_29215">
The Firehouse driveway was inaccessible as was Dickinson Dr, so I could not get anywhere near the school itself.</div>
<div id="yui_3_7_2_1_1370021265096_29215">
[snip] </div>
</blockquote>
<div id="yui_3_7_2_1_1370021265096_29215">
<blockquote>
A local woman drove up, parked her car near mine in front of the
firehouse and started to talk to me and to the painter. She was very
insistent that the citizens of Sandy Hook did NOT want any visitors.
That included me. But I was polite, and we did converse amiably for
quite some time. She believes the entire official story completely. She
did not leave until she saw me get into my car. Basically no one was
around except for the few SH tourists who drove up looking for the
school (and who were told to leave by the local woman); the restaurants
were closed in SH, although there was a bit more life to be seen in
Newtown.<br />
The SH resident was … still very distraught by the shooting. I really
felt sorry for her. It seems that SH has been traumatized beyond
belief. She said no one could go anywhere without IDs being checked by
law enforcement for a very long time. The woman told me that the
children had had their arms and legs blown off, because they were so
small and Adam Lanza was shooting from a much greater height. She said
the funeral director who had to officiate over a large number of
funerals right after the shooting was beside himself.<br />
The resident said she blamed Nancy Lanza for buying her son all those
guns and taking him shooting. She said Adam Lanza was a “sick puppy”
who had lived in his mother’s basement. She said that the media were
“vultures,” although she knew she shouldn’t say this because it is
important that we have a “free press.”<br />
The woman also noted that the substantial donations were a huge
source of consternation for everyone, as the funds that were overseen by
Newtown officials were just sitting there, and no one knew what the
money would be spent for. She said that this was “worse than 9-11
because these were children,” wishes that people would stop giving
donations, and that people would stop coming to SH and let the town be.<br />
I explained to her that people were coming because the whole country
was traumatized, and that it was a media event, which people saw on TV
or read about in the papers. I said that people meant well and were
coming to see the school so that they could understand the event, or at
least the venue, in a more real way.</blockquote>
<br />
Viv was smart enough to keep her "Hooker" bs to herself. Then she moves on to stalking Gene Rosen:<br />
<br /></div>
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
Gene Rosen’s house is RIGHT near the firehouse; his driveway is directly adjacent.</blockquote>
OMG! A HOUSE near a FIRE STATION in a SMALL TOWN! HOW SUSPICIOUS!!!!11!!! /sarc<br />
<br />
Then she meanders:<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
Several properties were up for sale throughout the Sandy Hook district, but not as many as one might imagine.<br />
<br />
Happy Memorial Day!</blockquote>
By Dec Viv decided to jump on the Superbowl bandwagon:<br />
<br />
http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/12/14/video-sandy-hook-victims-sing-at-2013-super-bowl/comment-page-1/<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<cite class="fn">Vivian Lee</cite> <span class="says">says:</span>
<br />
<div class="comment-meta commentmetadata">
<time datetime="2013-12-14T23:26:13+00:00" pubdate="">
December 14, 2013 at 11:26 pm </time>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div class="comment-content">
<blockquote>
It is interesting that very few comments here address QKUltra’s
discovery: that it is possible, or even probable, that eight of the
children/young people singing at the Super Bowl are indeed eight of the
SH (supposed) victims. Not to mention the additional six brothers. <br />
This is perhaps because the idea is so massively counterintuitive.
Yes, we can realize that the SH event is a huge hoax. We can see the
gaping holes in the official narrative. We can imagine (and hope) that
no one died. We can wonder where the children went. Etc./and other such
thoughts based on normal deductive reasoning. <br />
But what do we make of these girls and boys showing up in plain sight
singing at the Super Bowl? Comment off topic so we don’t have to think
about it?<br />
I am not sure myself but would welcome the thoughts of those who have
watched the video–carefully, critically, and more than once.
Friends–just what are the ramifications?</blockquote>
</div>
<br />
If Viv is really a professor, we wonder what of. There aren't that many Vivian Lees working at east coast colleges. <a href="http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=1734214">One was at the <b>College of Central Florida</b></a> in Ocala, but isn't listed as faculty any more. There's another in Maryland.<br />
<br />
But since we're not sure which Lee is a conspiracy loon, we are not posting contact details. Yet.<br />
<br />
If only the "Hookers" could show as much restraint.<br />
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<br />Unknownnoreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1061634252147156238.post-11340255781746303682014-02-23T13:58:00.003-08:002014-02-24T11:40:54.397-08:00The Return of the Hookers: January 2014<br />
After the flurry over <a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2014/02/wolfgang-halbig-you-cant-keep-good.html">the last blog</a>, we dug around into when exactly the "Hookers" decided to rev up again. In January, while we were snowboarding and having a life, the founding Hooker father, <a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2013/01/james-fetzer-veteran-conspiracy-loon.html">Jim Fetzer</a>, was helping to replant the tin foil seeds for 2014 at Veteran's Today:<br />
<br />
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/01/07/top-ten-reasons-sandy-hook-was-an-elaborate-hoax/<br />
<br />
<b>Top Ten Reasons: Sandy Hook was an Elaborate Hoax</b><br />
<br />
by Vivian Lee, Sofia Smallstorm, James Tracy, Jim Fetzer and the Sandy Hook Research Group<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><i>“[T]he names and ‘contextually identifying information of involved
children’ were withheld, including descriptions of the children, their
clothing and their belongings”–Reuben F. Bradford, Commissioner,
Department of Emergency Services and Public Protection </i></span></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> <b>The New York Times, our </b><b>nation’s newspaper of record (which records the “official
history” of the United States), has reported that, with its “final
report,” the criminal investigation of Sandy Hook by the State of
Connecticut is over. </b><b>
</b></span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><b>Remarkably, the report does not even include the names, the ages or
the sex of the alleged victims of the shooting. There is no actual
identification of any of the dead. Even the Danbury, CT, Newstimes found it unsatisfying. </b></span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><b>
</b></span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><b>And the 52 “autopsy photos” that accompany the report are redacted.
The New York Times itself now appears to be responsible for a stunning
display of journalistic incompetence on a matter of enormous public
concern. </b></span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Anyone with the inclination can comb through hundreds of years of
American crime reports and (I would bet) you will not find another
instance in the which the names, the ages or the sex of the victims is
not given–with the exception of victims of sex crimes. Withholding this
information is part of a pattern of deception and deceit that extends
to the Clerk of Newtown making secret arrangements with the state
legislature to avoid releasing death certificates to the public,
attempts to withhold the 911 calls and gag orders that were imposed upon
those responsible for tearing down the building itself:</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span>
<blockquote>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">In a letter accompanying the report, Reuben F. Bradford,
the commissioner of the state’s Department of Emergency Services and
Public Protection, said the names and “contextually identifying
information of involved children” were withheld, including descriptions
of the children, their clothing and their belongings. “All visual images
depicting the deceased have been withheld,” he added, “as well as
written descriptions whose disclosure would be highly offensive to a
reasonable person and would violate the constitutional rights of the
families.”</span></span></blockquote>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">The commissioner said that balancing the “often competing interests
of government transparency and individual privacy has been difficult,”
but the situation is completely absurd. <i>This appears to be only the
latest in a series of obscene measures being adopted to conceal from
the public that the Sandy Hook “massacre” was in fact an elaborately
staged hoax, which no one who takes a serious look at the evidence can
reasonably deny because, in view of what we have now proven about the
event, no alternative explanation is reasonable.</i></span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">The basic principle that applies here is inference to the best explanation. Consider the totality of the evidence in this case. <i>Is
the evidence more probable on the hypothesis that Sandy Hook was a real
event or that it was instead an exercise (or a “drill”), which was
presented as though it had been a real event? </i> The hypothesis that
confers the highest probability on the evidence is the preferable,
which, when the evidence has “settled down,” is acceptable as true in
the tentative and fallible fashion of science. Here are the “top ten”
reasons that support the conclusion that Sandy Hook was staged and not
real, where no children or adults appear to have died there.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span>
<h3>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">1. Proof of death has been suppressed</span></span></h3>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Twenty-eight people allegedly died: 27 children and adults, including
Adam Lanza, at the school, and his mother, Nancy Lanza, in her home at
36 Yogananda Street, Newtown. However, there is no direct proof of their
death: no photographic evidence or video footage was released to
confirm the official story that these 28 persons actually died. In fact,
no video surveillance footage shows anything—not even Adam shooting out
the front plate-glass window or walking through the halls like Rambo,
even though this is a school that had updated its security system at the
start of the 2012-13 academic year.
</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">The best the authorities could come up with was a heavily redacted report that
includes numerous photos of the inside of the school, with a few dings
that look like bullet holes, several bullets on the floor, and many
black images with white numbers, which we are supposed to associate with
dead people. One photo (left) shows the blown-out glass window through
which Adam Lanza presumably entered the premises. But how did he get
past the furniture, with all his weaponry, without moving anything out
of position?</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Compounding the situation, the parents were not even allowed to view
their children’s bodies to identify them. Instead, they were reportedly
shown photographs of the deceased. This was done, according to the
Medical Examiner, Wayne Carver, in order to “control the situation.” But
what was there about the situation that required “control”? No parent
of our acquaintance would have agreed to accept the death of a child
without viewing the body. James Tracy has published a discussion of the medical examiner’s performance. According to Carver:</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span>
<blockquote>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Uh, we did not bring the bodies and the families into
contact. We took pictures of them, uhm, of their facial features. We
have, uh, uh—it’s easier on the families when you do that. Un, there is,
uh, a time and place for the up close and personal in the grieving
process, but to accomplish this we thought it would be best to do it
this way and, uh, you can sort of, uh … You can control a situation
depending on the photographer, and I have very good photographers. Uh,
but uh—</span></span></blockquote>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Remarkably, the state has done its best to avoid releasing the death
certificates and even recordings of the 911 calls. Death certificates
were eventually “released” but not to the public or those who might want
to investigate the case further, where only a short, general summary
was available. According to The New York Times,
in relation to the 911 calls, “no children are identified by name, no
callers indicate that they can see a child being shot, and the only
injury described is that of an educator’s being shot in the foot.”</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
Moreover, the funerals were all “closed casket,” with one
exception—that of Noah Pozner. As recounted in interviews with the
families, the circumstances of their last encounters with their children
(or with their caskets) are strange to say the least. The “love fest”
at the white coffin of Grace McDonnell was detailed on CNN for Anderson
Cooper</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Veronique Pozner gave her account of her last look at her son Noah to the <i>Jewish Daily Forward</i> on 26 December 2013.</span></span>
<br />
<blockquote>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Veronique asked the medical examiners not to autopsy her
son; she felt that his body had suffered too many indignities. At his
funeral, Noah was dressed in a suit and tie. A Jewish friend of
Veronique’s at work enjoined Rabbi Praver to allow him to be wrapped in a
blue tallis, even though he had not yet had a bar mitzvah.
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">The family placed stuffed animals, a blanket and letters to Noah into
the casket. Lastly, Veronique put a clear plastic rock with a white
angel inside — an “angel stone” — in his right hand. She asked the
funeral director to place an identical one in his left, which was badly
mangled.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Just before the ceremony, Connecticut Governor Dannel Malloy came to
the funeral home to pay his respects. Veronique took him by the arm and
brought him to the casket. Noah’s famously long eyelashes — which she
spoke about in her eulogy — rested lightly on his cheeks and a cloth
covered the place where the lower half of his face had been. “I just
needed it to be real for [the governor],” she says. “This was a live,
warm, energetic little boy whose life was snuffed out in a fraction of a
second because our schools are so defenseless.”</span></span></blockquote>
<br />
<h3>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">2. Emergency protocols were not followed</span></span></h3>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><br />
There is no evidence of any frantic effort to save lives or to remove
bodies to hospitals; instead the scene outside the school looked calm
and largely bloodless—with police and other personnel milling around
casually and a severe shortage of dead or injured victims. One Sandy
Hook researcher decided to call Lt. Paul Vance to ask who cleaned up the
blood, which would have been considered to be a bio-hazard, and got the
reply, “What blood?” Here is Jim Fetzer’s interview with Kelley from
Tulsa on “The Real Deal” where she discusses this, which also includes
several of the 911 calls:</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> </span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Kelley was onto a real issue. Under the CT Medical Waste Tracking Act of 1988,
a paper trail must kept by all parties involved in the clean up and
must be tracked all the way to the incinerator with names and dates.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">In a Mass Casualty Incident (MCI) like Sandy Hook, the proper
protocol is START triage (Simple Triage and Rapid Treatment) using tarps
of different colors with the aim being to save lives and get the
injured to the hospital for treatment. Not even the black tarps for the
dead were used, much less the red ones for those who needed immediate
treatment. As Sofia Smallstorm has documented, nothing at all like this
occurred at Sandy Hook: the appropriate protocols were not followed:</span></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> [youtube video]</span></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Sandy Hook Fire Chief Bill Halstead was ready to help the victims but
could recall only two wounded people. A few survivors were reportedly
taken to the hospital, but, oddly, these people were never interviewed.
There were no first-hand accounts that proved anyone was killed or
injured. Nonetheless, according to Lt. Vance, 18 children were
pronounced dead at the scene, two children were removed to “an area
hospital” and were pronounced dead at the hospital, and seven adults
were pronounced dead at the scene, including the shooter (NBC).</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">No emergency vehicles were present at the school or even lined up in
the fire lane for a rescue attempt—the parking lot was filled with
parked cars, police cars and possibly media vehicles. Such rescue
activity as occurred was centered, not on the school premises, but at
the nearby Firehouse. Emergency vehicles at the Firehouse were jammed
together impeding access to the school, in case anyone might have
thought about attempting a rescue. The scene at the Firehouse was quite
peculiar, with people milling around and circling through the building,
walking out one door and into another, to give the impression of lots of
people and lots of action. But it was all in accordance with FEMA
manuals for drills.</span></span><br />
<br />
<br />
<h3>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">3. Drill protocols were followed instead</span></span></h3>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><br />
We are now living in a security state, and the school system is among
its beneficiaries. While we used to have “fire drills” from time to
time, we now have “lockdown drills” implemented by school districts,
with some states requiring a set number of drills by law. Private
security firms, which operate for profit, now conduct “crisis
preparedness assessments” at the tax-payer’s expense.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Larger scenarios are also developed as active-shooter drills, in
which local law enforcement can take part in storming a school in
pursuit of an active-actor-shooter. One such plan available on the web
is “Operation Closed Campus”
developed in Iowa following guidance set forth by the Homeland Security
Exercise and Evaluation Program (HSEEP) of the US Department of
Homeland Security.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
According to protocol, everyone at the drill must check in,
identification badges are issued to personnel and observers, and
drinking water and restrooms are available. Personnel include the
director, staff, controllers, evaluators, actors, media personnel and
“players” (agency employees) both in uniforms and civilian clothes. This
protocol appears to have been followed at Sandy Hook, where many
participants wore ID/identification badges on lanyards, a huge check-in
sign is visible and even Porta Potties are at the ready.</span></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> [youtube video]</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">An emergency preparedness drill took place on 14 December 2012, 9 AM
to 4 PM/ET, in Bridgeport, CT, which is a 20 minute drive from Sandy
Hook. The course was run by the Connecticut Department of Emergency
Services and Public Protection/Emergency Management and Homeland
Security, entitled “Planning for the Needs of Children in Disasters.”</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">The Sandy Hook “shooting” appears to have been an Integrated Capstone
Event (ICE), an exercise run by FEMA to coordinate federal, state and
local emergency response teams in the case of a mass-casualty event. As
such, it would have utilized actors and media partners to simulate a
tragedy in order to train participants, and also in order to observe the
reaction of the citizenry.</span></span><br />
<h3>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">4. There was foreknowledge of the event</span></span></h3>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">The Connecticut state emergency system was taken over long before the “massacre” occurred,
with a frequency change implemented five hours in advance of the
“shooting.” Normal police and EMS dispatch protocol, using the Alpha
Phonetic System for communications between officers and dispatchers, was
replaced with staged transmissions by non-trained personnel.<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> </span>
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">In addition, tweets about the shooting began before it occurred,
a tribute was apparently uploaded one month before the event, and web
pages honoring the victims, including a Facebook page R.I.P. Victoria
Soto, were established before they had “officially” died.<span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">[youtube video] </span></span><br />
<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">A Sandy Hook timeline has been reconstructed at memoryholeblog.com, detailing major developments and highlighting the numerous inconsistencies in reports by the media.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span>
<h3>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">5. There were contradictory reports about the weapons </span></span></h3>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
According to initial reports in the media, weapons used in the shooting
included four handguns recovered at the scene, the only guns taken into
the school (NBC). Then an AR-15 was said to have been found in the trunk
of Lanza’s car (NBC). Then it was reported that Lanza may have carried
only two handguns and that a rifle was also found in the school (NBC).</span></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Wayne Carver, the Medical Examiner, said that all the victims were
shot with the “long weapon.” Lt. Paul Vance then said that a Bushmaster
AR-15 assault weapon with high capacity magazines was used “most of the
time” and that Lanza was carrying “many high-capacity clips” for the
weapon (Huffington Post).</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">In January 2013, Connecticut state police released a statement
indicating that they had found four guns inside the school: a Bushmaster
.223 caliber XM 15-E2S semi-automatic rifle with high capacity 30 round
clips, a Glock 10-mm handgun and a Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun. They
said they also found an Izhmash Canta-12 12-gauge shotgun in Lanza’s car
(NBC).</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">This shotgun is also shown in a video aired on the night of 14
December 2013 by NBC. An evidence collection team and a policeman find
the gun in the trunk of Lanza’s Honda Civic—the policeman handles the
gun without gloves and ejects the ammunition on the spot. Some have seen
two long guns in the trunk in the NBC video: the 12-gauge shotgun and
the Bushmaster rifle.</span></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">[youtube video]</span></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> Lt. Vance then asserted that Lanza had killed all his victims with the .223-caliber semi-automatic rifle (ctpost.com).
Regarding the confusion, Vance told reporters, “It’s all these
conspiracy theorists that are trying to mucky up the waters.” Perhaps
“The Top Prize for Fantastical Reporting” goes to Fox News, however,
which announced that a 12-gauge shotgun along with two magazines
containing 70 rounds of Winchester 12-gauge shotgun rounds had been
found in the glove compartment of Adam Lanza’s Honda Civic<i>—</i>that’s right, <i>in the glove compartment.</i></span></span><br />
<h3>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">6. Adam Lanza cannot have done the shooting </span></span></h3>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
Adam Lanza, reportedly a frail young man weighing 120 pounds with
Asperger’s Syndrome, is said to have carried massive weaponry on his
person when he shot his way into the Sandy Hook school and proceeded to
kill 26 people and then himself. This after he supposedly killed his
mother before driving to the school.</span></span><br />
<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">According to State’s Attorney Stephen Sedensky, Lanza killed his 26
victims with the Bushmaster .223-caliber rifle and then killed himself
with his Glock 10-mm handgun. Lanza was also supposedly carrying three
30-round magazines for the Bushmaster as well as a Sig-Sauer 9 mm
handgun (see above). The victims were shot multiple times each in a
fusillade of bullets from these military-style weapons. In order to
wreak this havoc, he fired more than 150 rounds, and he must have
carried more rounds in addition. Lanza was reportedly found dead wearing
a bulletproof vest and military-style clothing (AP).</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">As Mike Powers, a professional military investigator and ballistics
expert, has observed, this young man of slight build could not have
carried all these heavy, bulky weapons and ammunition on his person.
Furthermore, since first responders were supposedly inside the school
within seven minutes, there was not enough time for Lanza to have
carried out the shooting as reported. In an interview with Joyce Riley,
Powers states that Lanza could not have fired so many times continuously
without destabilizing himself from the intense noise from the
Bushmaster. As a novice, he could not have shot an AR-15 with such speed
and accuracy, supposedly changing magazines 4-5 times without a
stoppage.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">According to Lt. Vance on the night of the shooting, one victim
survived. So in less than seven minutes—or less than five minutes
according to the media—Lanza killed 26 people and then himself,
producing only one injured victim. This is a 96% kill ratio, which is
unheard-of accuracy among the most experienced marksmen. Powers thinks
the whole scenario is a physical impossibility. He is not even convinced
that Adam Lanza was a real person. The story of the shooting should not
be taken seriously.</span></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">[youtube video]</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> </span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">The final travesty involves the weapons and other paraphernalia that were allegedly found in the Lanza house.
The “arsenal” supposedly included guns, Samurai swords, knives, a
bayonet and more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition, according to search
warrants released. Other items of interest were ear and eye protection,
binoculars, holsters, manuals, paper targets, a military-style uniform
and Lanza’s NRA certificate (Fox). Lanza had reportedly compiled a
spreadsheet 7 feet long and 4 feet wide in 9-point type detailing 500
victims of other mass murders (CBS). We are supposed to believe this,
and, at the same time, that Adam Lanza was a shy, quiet kid who didn’t
like noise and chaos, as promoted by the PBS Frontline Special, “Raising Adam Lanza.”</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span>
<h3>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">7. Key participants displayed inappropriate behavior</span></span></h3>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">There are many bizarre media reports and interviews of those associated with the “shooting.” Some examples:</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><i>Wayne Carver—</i>Medical Examiner Wayne Carver’s surreal press
conference is one of the most startling of all the media offerings.
Widely available on youtube, this event shows H. Wayne Carver II, a
public official of some standing, clowning and acting
outlandish—grinning strangely, making irrelevant comments, and basically
appearing unknowledgeable and unprofessional.</span></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> [youtube video]</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><br /></span></span>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><i>Robbie Parker—</i>Perhaps the most famous press conference is that of
Robbie Parker, the alleged father of victim Emilie Parker, speaking on a
CNN report of December 15, 2012. He chuckles as he walks up to the
camera, then gets into character by hyperventilating, and finally feigns
distress as he talks about his daughter—and about the fund set up to
help raise money “for Emilie.”</span></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">[youtube video]</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> <i>The families—</i>In addition to Robbie and Alissa Parker, other
parents and family members take their turn in the spotlight, including
(but not limited to) Mark and Jackie Barden, Jimmy Greene and Nelba
Marquez-Greene, Ian and Nicole Hockley, Neil Heslin (alleged father of
Jesse Lewis), Chris and Lynn McDonnell, Veronique Pozner, Carlee Soto,
and David and Francine Wheeler. Anderson Cooper is the interviewer in
two notable instances: his conversation with the McDonnells mentioned
above, and an interview with Veronique Pozner, remarkable for its
green-screen effects such as Anderson’s disappearing nose.</span></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">[youtube video] </span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><i>The school nurse—</i>Numerous reports offer detailed and totally
fictitious information, some of which was later abandoned in favor of
more tenable versions. On the evening of December 14, a USA Today
reporter said she had spoken with the school nurse, whom she had met on
the street. The nurse told her that the gunman had come into her office,
“they met eyes, she jumped under her desk,” and he walked out. The
nurse said that the gunman was the son of the kindergarten teacher, who
was known to her and “an absolutely loving person.” It later developed
that Nancy Lanza had not been a kindergarten teacher at all, and that
neither Nancy nor Adam had any connection to Sandy Hook school
whatsoever.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> [youtube video]</span></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><i>Dawn Hochsprung—</i>In an embarrassing fiction, <i>The Newtown Bee</i>
reported on 14 December 2013 that Dawn Hochsprung, the Sandy Hook
school principal, told the paper that a masked man had entered the
school with a rifle and started shooting multiple shots – more than she
could count – that went “on and on.” Of course, Dawn Hochsprung was
allegedly killed by Adam Lanza and so could not easily have provided
this statement. In fact, Dawn was said to have acted heroically, dying
while lunging at the gunman—although one wonders who witnessed and
reported this act of heroism. On 17 December 2013, <i>The Bee</i> retracted the report and apologized:</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span>
<blockquote>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">An early online report from the scene at the December 14
shootings at Sandy Hook Elementary School quoted a woman who identified
herself to our reporter as the principal of the school. The woman was
not the school’s principal, Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the
Friday morning attack. The quote was removed from subsequent online
versions of the story, but the original story did remain in our online
archive for three days before being deleted. We apologize for whatever
confusion this may have caused our readers and for any pain or anguish
it may have caused the Hochsprung family.</span></span></blockquote>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><i>Gene Rosen—</i>Gene Rosen is one of the most prolific of the Sandy
Hook media stars, giving animated and conflicting statements to a
series of reporters (in English and Spanish). Considered a “good
Samaritan” by the mainstream media, Gene supposedly harbored six
children who ran away from the school, rode to his house on a school
bus, sat down on his lawn and proceeded to cry and tell him that their
teacher, Miss Soto, was dead. Strangely, Rosen took the children inside
and gave them some toys to play with, instead of calling 911 like any
normal person.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> [youtube video]</span></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">The Gene Rosen videos are important for the official narrative, in
that they corroborate many of its details: the staccato gunfire (and
thus a semi-automatic weapon) and heresay evidence from the children
(Lanza had a big gun and a little gun, Vicki Soto was killed,
etc.).These incriminating videos are some of the best evidence that the
Sandy Hook shooting was a hoax.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span>
<h3>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">8. Photos at scene and of victims look staged or fake </span></span></h3>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
The only photo we have seen of any children being evacuated from the
school was apparently taken earlier in the fall during a drill (no
coats, smiling faces). Shannon Hicks, a photographer for <i>The Newtown Bee</i>, took the photo and claims to have taken many others of the event—which have not been released.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> [photos]</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> Hicks reportedly took this photo “as an associate editor” and then, when
another editor arrived, “changed into her firefighting gear and tried
to help.” The account was promoted by NPR.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> [photos]</span></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
Perhaps more insidious are the photographs of the children who
allegedly died at Sandy Hook, many of which are concoctions prepared on
Photoshop. Some of the most problematic involve the Parker family, with
Emilie’s red-and-black dress supposedly worn by her younger sister for
the visit with Obama.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> [youtube video]</span></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> The photograph of Victoria Soto’s class of students has been shown to be an elaborate composite:</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> [youtube video]</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> And many of the individual images of the children released to the media
are peculiar—some look outdated and may be old photos. In a very sloppy
slip-up, a photo of a real child, Lily Gaubert (right, below), who is
alive and well, was promoted in the media as an image of Allison Wyatt
(left, below), an alleged victim. Lily’s mother discovered the error and
made it public.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">[photos] </span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> And the ridiculously fraudulent photographs of Adam Lanza clearly do not depict a real person</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">[youtube videos]</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">9. The crime scene was completely destroyed</span></span></h3>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
As with Ground Zero after 9/11, Sandy Hook Elementary and all the evidence have been completely obliterated; <b>$50 million in CT state funds</b> were
allocated for the demolition and rebuilding of Sandy Hook school. This
would never have been tolerated if an actual crime had been committed—at
least one that was meant to be investigated. The demolition of the
school has now been declared complete.</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> [photos]</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Employees who worked on the project were required to sign non-disclosure agreements.
They were not only prohibited from removing anything from the site, but
they were forbidden from discussing publicly anything they may have
observed or not observed during the demolition, such as an absence of
bullet marks on the walls or blood on the floor of the classrooms.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">10. Deceased children sang at the Super Bowl</span></span></h3>
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Recent research has resulted in a “Sandy Hoax Surprise,” a convincing
youtube video identifying eight alleged Sandy Hook victims and six of
their brothers singing in the Newtown children’s choir at the 2013 Super
Bowl.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> [youtube video]</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> One more victim has been identified since the original video, making a
total of 15 out of the 21 children in the choir who were from the Sandy
Hook “families.” The newly recognized “victims” are all older than they
appear in their photos, giving credence to the theory that the
children’s photographs were outdated images.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">[youtube video]</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">The Newtown children, whoever they are, seem quite happy to be
singing at the Super Bowl, smiling and running across the field after
the event—giving no sign of the trauma they had been through less than
two months prior. So are these children actually alive? One can only
hope.<b><i> </i></b></span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><b><i>Cui bono?</i></b></span></span></h3>
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The evidence demonstrates (1) that proof of death has been suppressed,
(2) that emergency protocols were not followed, (3) that drill protocols
were followed, (4) that there was foreknowledge of the event, (5) that
there was confusion over what weapons were used, (6) that the suspect
cannot possibly have carried out the shooting as claimed, (7) that
strange behavior was displayed by officials, witnesses and relatives,
(8) that there are many odd photos of participants, (9) that the crime
scene was destroyed under conditions of secrecy and (10) that some of
the children appeared at the Super Bowl.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">With the possible exception of (5) and (9), all of these features
would have low probabilities had Sandy Hook been a massacre but high
probabilities were it merely a drill. Some of them are decisive by
themselves, such as (1), (2), (3), (4) and (6)–not to mention (10). <i>EMTs
cannot make determinations of whether a victim is dead or alive, so
there should have been a surge of EMTs into the building to rush those
little bodies off to hospitals where doctors could determine their
condition. But that was not done–and nothing else about this event
supports the conclusion that it was real.</i> On the contrary, virtually everything indicates that this was a drill.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> [photos]</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">The probability of the evidence on the hypothesis that this was a
drill is overwhelmingly greater than on the hypothesis that it was an
actual massacre. And the evidence appears to have “settled down” and
point in the same direction. No alternative is reasonable, which means
it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. <i>So who did it and why?</i>
This is the final question. If the perpetrator had been Adam Lanza,
then he had no apparent motive, as even “the final report”
acknowledged. When considering <i>cui bono</i> (who benefits), a large amount of money is at stake–and much of it has already been distributed.</span></span><br />
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</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Follow the Money</span></span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">First of all, the construction industry got a boost, with the <b>$50 million</b> in
Connecticut state funds allocated for the destruction of Sandy Hook
School and to rebuild a new school on the premises. And this from a
state with a projected budget deficit of $1.1 billion for the coming year.</span></span><br />
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</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">The Sandy Hook School Support Fund has raised approximately <b>$12 million</b> and
distributed it to the Newtown-Sandy Hook Community Foundation, overseen
by Ken Feinberg, “a victim compensation master with a national
reputation,” according to United Way Western Connecticut. <i>And the Support Fund posted its condolences on 11 December 2013, which was three days before the actual event.</i></span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"> [image: with text]</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">The estimated payout was <b>$281,000</b> paid to each of the victims’
families, who have raised additional funds from their own websites—some
of which were apparently advertised on the web in advance of the
shooting. At present, all of the victims, both children and adults, have
memorial funds that are currently collecting money.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">“Sandy Hook Promise,” which actively solicits money for family
members and others “impacted by this tragedy,” as well as for lobbying
for “mental wellness and gun safety,” currently boasts over 300,000
people who have made the “Sandy Hook Promise” to turn the “tragedy into a moment of transformation.”</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">The federal government has also forked over a lot of taxpayer money, including a <b>$150,000 federal grant</b> to Newtown to pay for two “school resource officers” (aka police), and <b>$2.5 million in federal funds </b>from
the Department of Justice to compensate the local entities for their
trouble: $663,444 to the Connecticut State Police, $602,293 to the town
of Newtown, $882,812 to the town of Monroe and $296,838 to other partner
agencies. </span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">In addition, the Department of Education has awarded a total of <b>$3.2 million</b>
to the Newtown Public School District under Project SERV (School
Emergency Response to Violence) to help with ongoing recovery efforts
following the shooting. See these reports: US Department of Education awards 1.3 million grant; US Department of Education awards 1.9 million grant. This hush money is sure to keep the lid on things for now.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><span style="text-decoration: underline;">Gun Control</span></span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">The families have been out in force, appearing on television and in
print, lobbying for gun control in the states and the US capitol. By
now, their stories are known to everyone in America. This has created an
impression that the Sandy Hook hoax was about gun control. Meanwhile,
however, the gun industry has benefited immensely.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Efforts to increase security in schools—and even arm teachers—are underway. <i>The New York Times</i> reports
that around 1,500 state gun bills have been introduced since the time
of the shooting, and 109 have become law. However, <i>nearly two-thirds of these laws ease legal restrictions and support the rights of gun owners.</i><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> </span></span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">This may well have been an unintentional consequence of an
intentional plan. Nonetheless, it is not clear that the Sandy Hook event
was carried out solely with the aim of disarming the American public.
Perhaps we are seeing a kind of Homeland-Gladio—implementing a strategy of tension with real and simulated events. Remarkably, one of the earliest school safety/gun control proposals came from the family of Noah Pozner:</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">[image]</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">Both the gun industry and the already immense and rapidly growing
“security industry” have also benefitted from the Sandy Hook “shooting,”
as we, the citizens of the United States, lose more of our
Constitutional rights. A more subtle but nonetheless insidious effect
relates to the promotion of mental health screening and the consequent
medication of the “mentally unstable” in our society, based upon an
event that did not take place, where President Obama has signed an
on-going series of executive orders to implement a political agenda.
For the latest, check this one out.</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">
</span></span><span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;">The emergence of the Department of Homeland Security as a major
threat to democracy cannot go without comment. Even though a
subcommittee of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and
Intelligence released a report on 3 October 2012 establishing the virtual non-existence of domestic terrorist threats,
DHS has acquired more than 2 billion rounds of .40 calibre hollow-point
ammunition. Sandy Hook appears to be part of a complex and evolving
scenario, beginning with 9/11, to establish an enhanced Police State.
Whether or not it succeeds depends on public awareness and political
action.<br />
</span></span>
<span style="color: #073763;"><span style="font-size: x-small;"><i><b>Vivian Lee</b>, Ph.D., is a Sandy Hook researcher and professor at an East Coast University. <b>Sofia Smallstorm</b> is an independent researcher, who produced and directed “Unraveling Sandy Hook.” <b>James Tracy</b>, Ph.D., maintains a web site at memoryholeblog.com. And <b>Jim Fetzer</b>, Ph.D., a former Marine Corps officer, is McKnight Professor Emeritus at the University of Minnesota Duluth.</i></span></span></blockquote>
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Better late to the tin foil party than never.<br />
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It looks like, after the conspiracy fizzled out last year, these clowns have spent months going over information to rework the story they're selling to the tin foil crowd. And that story still includes smearing the rescuers and survivors with lies. Only a matter of time before the conspiracy crowd starts dishing out the "Gene Rosen" treatment to people they are deluded into seeing as "actors", and "agents". <br />
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So here we go again, making sure you can tell the people instigating this bs exactly how you feel.<br />
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The new meat is a guy called Wolfgang Halbig, cuz he sure ain't Hal<i>small</i>:<br />
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He claims to be a former security expert and this appears to check out, if <a href="http://www.shiversecurityservices.com/about/events-and-press-releases/">Shiver Security Services</a> is to be believed:<br />
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Shiver Security Systems School Safety Seminar</h3>
Shiver Security Systems, Inc dba Sonitrol of SW Ohio held a free
school safety seminar for schools, churches and daycare centers on March
13, 2012. The event was held at the Savannah Center, West Chester,
OH. The Hamilton County Prosecutor’s Office, Cincinnati Police
Department, <u>National School Safety Expert Speaker<b> Wolfgang Halbig </b></u>and
Technology Experts spoke to those that attended the event.</blockquote>
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Halbig was on good terms with his employer at least <a href="https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=426308697458923&id=129950900428039&stream_ref=10">as of March 2013</a>:<br />
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Great Company. Great Owner who cares and will take good care of your safety and security needs. It is all about Trust</div>
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Funny Halbig should mention "trust" in light of his new conspiracy friends, the most untrustworthy clowns anyone could meet.<br />
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First there's Hooker alumni<a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2013/01/james-fetzer-veteran-conspiracy-loon.html"> Jim Fetzer</a>, who seems to be grooming Halbig as the next conspiracy woo "expert":<br />
http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com.br/2014/01/wolfgang-w-halbig-sofia-smallstorm.html<br />
http://nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/jim%20fetzer%20real%20deal-sandy%20hoax%20debate%20post%20mortem.mp3<br />
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We're gonna guess Jimmy forgot to mention to Halbig that Israel/Mossad was,<a href="http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/12/20/279183/israeli-death-squad-massacred-us-children/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> according to his breaking news article</a>, behind the Sandy Hook attacks. <br />
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Then Jimmy has Halbig back again in February:<br />
http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com.br/2014/02/meria-heller-wolfgang-halbig.html<br />
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And now Wolfgang Halbig is a conspiracy superstar!<br />
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https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2014/02/16/wolfgang-halbig-and-the-sandy-hook-hoax/<br />
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by Scott Creighton<br />
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Let me start off by saying this guy (a school safety and security expert and consultant who just so happens to have been <a href="http://americanfreepress.net/?p=15503">contracted in the recent past by the Justice Department</a>… hmmm…. ) answered “<a href="http://americanfreepress.net/podcast/SandyHookWolfgangHalbig128.mp3">I want to raise a lot of money</a>”
when asked directly what his next step was and what he wanted to do.
He’s made a point to say it twice so far in the interview. I’m 23
minutes into it at this point.<br />
For those of you in the know, sounds a bit like Mike Gravel and the
Truth movement to me (for those of you who don’t know: Mike pretended to
be all about helping the Truth movement so he could “raise a lot of
money” and then he ran off with it)<br />
That said…<br />
<u><b>David sent me an email the other day which was <a href="http://americanfreepress.net/podcast/SandyHookWolfgangHalbig128.mp3">a link</a> to an American Free Press interview of one Wolfgang W. Halbig conducted by David Gahary.</b></u><br />
Mr. Halbig has been filing FOIA requests with regards to the shooting
at Sandy Hook elementary school back in Dec. of 2012. Specifically,
he’s been focusing on the police and rescue team responses and how they
differed substantially from standard operating procedures which because
of his background, he would certainly be well aware of.</blockquote>
This dumbass exchanges emails with fans of American Free<i>-nazi</i> Press?<br />
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Dude, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Free_Press">do the fucking research</a>: <br />
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Writers for the newspaper include <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Collins_Piper" title="Michael Collins Piper">Michael Collins Piper</a>, whose work has been characterized as anti-semitic,<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-4"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Free_Press#cite_note-4">[4]</a></sup> and <a class="mw-redirect" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_P._Tucker,_Jr." title="James P. Tucker, Jr.">James P. Tucker, Jr.</a>, a longtime <i>Spotlight</i> reporter whose focus is the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group" title="Bilderberg Group">Bilderberg Group</a>. Articles by Carto also appear occasionally. <a class="mw-redirect" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Edwards_%28radio_host%29" title="James Edwards (radio host)">James Edwards</a>, who now hosts <i><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Political_Cesspool" title="The Political Cesspool">The Political Cesspool</a></i> (broadcast as a service of the neo-Nazi <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormfront_%28website%29" title="Stormfront (website)">Stormfront</a>) was also a former writer for the newspaper.</blockquote>
Now we know the Nazis are on board with the 'Hookers', it's no surprise<a href="https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?68459-School-Safety-Expert---Wolfgang-W.-Halbig-Threatened-for-Questioning-Sandy-Hook" rel="nofollow"> a satellite org </a>of the <a href="http://www.secret-history-of-laura-knight-jadczyk.info/en/fora/topic/laura-the-cassiopaeans/">Cassiopaea Cult</a> are too:<br />
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This may have been posted under another title, but interesting interview from Wolfgang W. Halbig about being visited at home and told to back off from asking for freedom of information about , what he thinks is a false flag op. There are other indepth threads on this subject,but Wolfgang has many questions he cannot get answers for, and as a former state trooper, and expert witness at other school shooting cases including Columbine , he smells a rat.</blockquote>
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Wolfgang Halbig has the perfect combination of expertise to evaluate what happened at Sandy Hook Elementary School:<br />
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<b>law enforcement</b>: Florida State Trooper, US Customs Agent.</li>
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<b>education</b>: teacher, assistant principal, principal.</li>
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<b>current school safety expert:</b> trained key personnel at over 4,000 US school districts, and over 3,500 school safety officers.</li>
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His conclusion after ten months of motivated investigation:<br />
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“In my professional opinion, [Sandy Hook was] a scripted event… in planning for maybe two, two and a half years.”</blockquote>
Mr. Halbig’s response is demand for criminal arrests of “leaders”
involved in Sandy Hook based on rational embrace of the public evidence
he explains in the interview:<br />
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law enforcement parked 1/4 mile away upon arrival. Why didn’t they rush to a heart-wrenching emergency if it really occurred?</li>
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no trauma helicopters were ordered. This is unheard of for an actual emergency.</li>
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no paramedics were allowed in the school. This is unheard of.</li>
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officials refuse to say who declared all 26 people dead. By law, this
must come from a doctor. This refusal of so much basic information
indicates lies and cover-ups.</li>
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official narrative claims emergency personnel didn’t find the school secretary and nurse after 4 hours of searching.</li>
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this “event” included a traffic sign lit with the message, “everyone
must sign in.” Officials refuse any comment on this element that would
be present for a staged event/drill.</li>
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porta potties were on site; again with no comment by officials and consistent with holding a staged event.</li>
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no names were listed for the 26 children and chorus director at the
2013 Super Bowl event in honor of Sandy Hook. It’s unimaginable to not
list these names for such a huge deal.</li>
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no lawsuits filed by parents for negligence against school district. This is unheard of.</li>
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2 homicide investigators threatened Mr. Halbig for making inquiries
consistent with his professional duties to learn about this event for
future school safety.</li>
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Newtown Public Schools won’t return any calls. Mr. Halbig says this
non-cooperation to contribute information for other schools’ safety is
unheard of.</li>
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the FBI classified the report on Sandy Hook. This has never been done
before, and indicates a cover-up of all the evidence that this was a
staged event.</li>
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radio transmissions are consistent in tone and content for a drill, not an actual emergency.</li>
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multiple weapons reported at a limited crime scene were never found. This is not credible.</li>
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law enforcement sent a kindergarten girl from the hall to stay at the
crime scene of room 8 to be alone with dead bodies. This is a ridiculous
claim that demands investigation and answers.</li>
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no parents viewed the bodies of their children. This is also unheard of.</li>
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no documents are being released via Freedom of Information Act requests. This is unheard of.</li>
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trauma services were never requested. This would never occur.</li>
<li>
tearing down the school is consistent with destruction of evidence,
given the HUGE gaps between official accounts and the evidence.</li>
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no bio-hazard company was contacted to clean blood, bodily fluids. This is impossible.</li>
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Mr. Halbig’s inquiries of who installed the school security system has
been met with silence. This is unheard of to not get this information
to improve other schools.</li>
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<b><i>Mr. Halbig has the professional expertise to conclude the
official story is impossible, and to demand arrests in order for the
public to have the truth.</i></b><br />
<a href="http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/02/video-national-school-safety-expert-sandy-hook-shooting-fraud.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/02/video-national-school-safety-expert-sandy-hook-shooting-fraud.html</a></blockquote>
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Meanwhile, at Facebook, Halbig is claiming "they" are after him:<br />
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/wolfgang.w.halbig/posts/4025586454747?stream_ref=10">Email cut off</a>:<br />
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They have cut off my e-mail account so I am trying to get help<br />
wolfgang</div>
Share · <abbr class="timestamp livetimestamp" data-utime="1392900962" title="Thursday, 20 February 2014 at 04:56">8 hours ago</abbr> ·</blockquote>
Note: no follow up or explanation why is given.<br />
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Complains about <a href="https://www.facebook.com/wolfgang.w.halbig/posts/4025659576575?stream_ref=10">Sandy Hook parents lobbying</a>:<br />
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Sandy Hook Parents Coming to DC on Air Force One to Lobby Congress<br />
Just think about this for one second.<br />
He the President has the FBI Classified New Haven Investigative report
on the Sandy Hook School Shooting that we will never see as the femal
agent in New Haven told me.<br />
He now has all the parents on our Air
Force One knowing that this could not have happened as they say because
they cannot answer ten simple questions.<br />
So what are we to assume since they FBI refuse to allow us access and by the way what is so secret?</div>
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Urm, maybe they don't want all their business open so they can be targeted by loons like Gene Rosen? The rest is insane troll logic, like this comment:<br />
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Keith Kampschaefer<span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.0.$end:0:$0:0">I'm
going out out on a limb here a bit but I know that there is a
connection to Freemasonry in this event. Mr. Wolfgang W Halbig , if I
remember correctly, speculated that there may have not been the number
of deaths declared by the officials. Let's ju</span></span><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$0:0">st
say I agree and maybe Adam Lanza was "the sacrifice." We are talking
about the occult here folks. What are the odds that 26 people would be
slain in an ELEMENTARY SCHOOL and the alphabet has 26 letters. Now if I
thought this were real, I would quickly dismiss it as an extremely rare
coincidence. But this event is full of holes. With that said, let me
share this image that it might inspire others to "see beyond the veil"
(the dark one that is) and perhaps spook a rat out of his nest.</span></span></span></span></span></blockquote>
<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$0:0">The scary image:</span></span></span></span></span><br />
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spoken to Wolfgang last night and the most important message he has for
us is to unite and stick ONLY to the ten questions hes brought up so we
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need to put aside our beliefs and the discrepancies from other events
such as<b> 9/11 and Boston marathon</b>. We must set aside the other questions
we have about Sandy Hook in order to have those 10 questions pushed
further. </span></span></span><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137765:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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Kevin Dangerc McCormack<span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137766:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137766:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137766:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137766:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">By
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Sue Gresham<span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137777:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137777:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137777:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137777:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">I agree with what Kevin posted.</span></span></span></div>
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<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$0:0">That's because you're a brainwashed conspiracy moron, Sue. </span></span></span></span></span><br />
<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Then the Tea Party shows up:</span></span></span></span></span><br />
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<a class="UFICommentActorName" data-ft="{"tn":";"}" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/hovercard.php?id=1575901520&extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137904:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$author" href="https://www.facebook.com/idonotwantone">Michael Foster</a><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137904:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137904:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137904:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137904:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">Elect
Tea Party candidates and we might have a chance to get to the truth ...
if the government wasn't using this to justify greater gun control it
would certainly seem to be less of a false flag event to me</span></span></span><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137904:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Sandy Hook<a href="http://sandy-hook-hoax.blogspot.com/2013/01/gun-appreciation-day-sandy-hook-hoax.html"> and gun control</a>! How could we forget....this is partly to push white power gun nuts? They're all coming out of the closet in time to support Halbig just as things get sticky:</span></span></span></span></span><br />
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<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/wolfgang.w.halbig/posts/4025894782455?stream_ref=10">How it started</a>:</span></span></span></span></span><br />
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<span class="fwb fcg" data-ft="{"tn":";"}"><a data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=1734090379" href="https://www.facebook.com/wolfgang.w.halbig">Wolfgang W Halbig</a></span></div>
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This is how it started.<br />
I will use every resource of my office to investigate this heinous crime.<br />
I have contacted Robert Mueller director of the FBI to investigate and now it is Classified.<br />
What is their to be classified?<br />
One suspect dead they call him Adam Lanza<br />
He shot his way into the school they say<br />
He killed 20 children and six school staff members they say<br />
He fired 153 rounds they say<br />
He shot himself they say<br />
He drove a black honda civic <br />
to school that morning they say<br />
<br />
Case clsoed at Sandy Hook so now what has to be classified? The
delivery of portables toilets three hours into the shooting they say.<br />
<br />
Now they the parents fly on our Air Force one to lobby Congrees for Guns and back home. Never heard off before.<br />
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Please just think about that it is a huge piece of our puzzle<br />
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thanks<br />
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wolfgang<br />
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-4ENhv6YEQ" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-4ENhv6YEQ</a></div>
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<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$0:0">Lack of organs<a href="https://www.facebook.com/wolfgang.w.halbig/posts/4026716522998?stream_ref=10"> SMOKING GUN</a>:</span></span></span></span></span><br />
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Being
a former State Trooper I learned what it was like to have to rush to
the Miami International Airport to big up donated organs from hearts,
eyes etc and rush them to the hospital for patients waiting for life
saving transplants.<br />
<br />
Not one parent or loved one donated any of
the organs that day of their children or school sytaff that could have
saved someones life. The two childen who died at the hospital with
parental approval could have donated organs.<br />
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Never ever happened. why?</div>
Share · <abbr class="timestamp livetimestamp" data-utime="1392912402" title="Thursday, 20 February 2014 at 08:06">5 hours ago</abbr></blockquote>
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<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4025659576575_3137677:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$0:0">This is where it gets real. What follows is all the douchbags claiming no one died at Sandy Hook. Hope you fuckers are proud:</span></span></span></span></span><br />
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here all know why. I would bet good money that right now a group of
people with titles are sitting around a table discussing what to do
about you Wolfgang. I'm remembering you in prayer daily.</span></span></span><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137899:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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Lisa Kaufman<span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137928:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137928:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137928:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137928:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$text0:0:$0:0">The same children they said died sung at the following Super Bowl Kelly Fox Patterson...</span><a class="" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137928:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$range0:0" dir="ltr" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOizUIdRIpA" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOizUIdRIpA</a></span></span><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137928:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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Lisa Kaufman<span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137949:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137949:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137949:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137949:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">This isn't the only one Kim Wiley!!! 911, Aurora shootings, Boston Bombing...the list goes on and on!!!!</span></span></span><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137949:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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Lisa Kaufman<span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137957:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137957:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137957:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137957:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">You
have a lot to learn Kelly Fox Patterson...this is part of their
game...they like to parade this shit right in front of our eyes...it's
all part of it. You need to do more research, then you'll understand.</span></span></span><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137957:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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Kim Wiley<span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137960:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137960:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137960:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137960:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">i agree!!! there is a much bigger plan….. these things are all a grand illusion!</span></span></span><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137960:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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<a class="UFICommentActorName" data-ft="{"tn":";"}" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/hovercard.php?id=100002527734292&extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137970:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$author" href="https://www.facebook.com/alex.simack">Alex Simack</a><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137970:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137970:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137970:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137970:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">I
was defriended at least once for posting that same Super Bowl video. I
thought it was well researched. Yes Lisa, much of it all is no hidden
conspiracy, but paraded out in the open as a warning and a mockery to
those of us who can see.</span></span></span><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137970:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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Lisa Kaufman<span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137974:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137974:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137974:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137974:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">You must go deeper KFP...this is how they try to fool us...with our logic...THEY want us to question!</span></span></span><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137974:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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Alex Simack<span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137996:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137996:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137996:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137996:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">If
we watch that Super Bowl youtube again, the narrator shows how the
children are the same but they are 4-5 years OLDER at the SB. In other
words, PICTURES of these same children at younger ages were claimed by
the actor families to be the victims.</span></span></span><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3137996:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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<a class="UFICommentActorName" data-ft="{"tn":";"}" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/hovercard.php?id=100007748050512&extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138014:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$author" href="https://www.facebook.com/asia.payne.14">Asia Payne</a><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138014:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138014:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138014:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138014:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">I
100% believe that the SHES "event" was a $$$ and gun grabbing LIE. I
have followed all of the research since the week after it happened. It
was sketchy from day one. However, there are SOME things that I don't
believe are solid evidence of the crimes that those at the top committed
against the nation on that day and afterwards. One of those things is
the Super Bowl singers being the same children that were supposedly in
the school that day. These people are horrible criminals but they aren't
THAT foolish. Those are different children. (As a side note, I believe
that the schoolwasn't actually in use at the time and I don't believe
that anyone was killed.) The claim that Emilie Parker was photographed
with Obama was inaccurate as well. That was clearly a younger child,
wearing a hand me down or a smaller size of the same dress. I believe
that there is PLENTY of other evidence of a LIE, and therefore, we don't
need to use the things like the Superbowl singers to prove our point. I
honestly think those things portray us in a poor light and make it
easier for them to call us nutters. </span></span></span><span data-reactid=".0.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138014:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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<a href="https://www.facebook.com/kevin.t.mccormack">Kevin Dangerc McCormack</a><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138029:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138029:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138029:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0">Kelly Fox Patterson<span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138029:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">,
the identities of the children who sang at the super bowl is shrouded.
It may even be federally classified like other things. Illogical, yes.
But the entire event seemed illogical to stage, at first to me. </span></span></span><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138029:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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Lisa Kaufman<span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138068:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138068:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138068:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138068:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">You just don't get it do you KFP...they FUCK us over with our sense of LOGIC!!</span></span></span><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138068:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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Mark C Ritchie<span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138069:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138069:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138069:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138069:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">NOT TO mention - that the hospital advises later that the received NO VICTIMS from the Sandy Hook shooting.</span></span></span><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138069:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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Lisa Kaufman<span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138071:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138071:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138071:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138071:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">And
police officers proclaimed them all dead...ONLY DOCTORS are allowed to
proclaim anyone dead...I've seen many posts by doctors and nurses about
this.</span></span></span><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138071:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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Mark C Ritchie<span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138075:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138075:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138075:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138075:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">Yes, by state law, a Dr must proclaim someone dead not an officer.</span></span></span><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138075:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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Asia Payne<span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138079:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138079:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138079:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138079:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">Please
note - the students were supposedly moved into a neighboring school
after the event (after xmas vacation I believe). Its NOT that simple in
reality. Schools don't just have entire empty classrooms available for
an entire elementary school full of students to transfer to. They just
don't. Those students would have to have been split up into multiple
schools for the remainder of the year. Furthermore, since this other
school apprently had plenty of space to take on an entire student
population, why not just let the children continue attending THAT
school? Clearly that school was nowhere near capacity. So why, instead,
build an entire new school for the students of SH to attend?? WHY??
Additionally, SHES was FILLED with ASBESTOS! Hmmm....What happens when
parents find out that their child's school is full of asbestos? They
SUE. Rather than have a bunch of lawsuits on their hands, they simply
staged an event that would kill multiple birds with one stone didn't
they? The parents were made offers they couldnt refuse - in exchange for
not suing the school district, they got a nice chunk of change and kept
their mouths shut. Much easier than going through a lawsuit right? And
in the end, their children ended up in a different asbestos-free school
(again, that happened to have enough empty classrooms to accommodate and
entire elementary school population!?). Kids are safe, parents got some
$$$, problem solved. In the meantime, the old school gets torn down (to
conceal evidence that no mass shooting ever happened there) and the
town receives MILLIONS of $$$$ to build a new one, complete with a new
road/entrance! And anyone around town who may have caught on to the lies
and inconsistencies (like the "counselors", "psychologists", etc) gets
their piece of the $$$ pie in exchange for their silence as well. Am I
right???</span></span></span><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138079:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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Lisa Kaufman<span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138085:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138085:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138085:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138085:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">Sounds
good but from research, I think there was something much more sinister
at play as well. I definitely agree that the liars involved made mega
$$$...I mean, money takes care of everything, right?! And they even had
the balls to make collection sites to scam the people even more!!!
Remember Wolf said there was one cop who didn't come to the school...who
didn't "participate" and he was questioning that? Maybe this cop had a
stroke of conscious and didn't want to be involved?!!</span></span></span><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138085:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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Mark C Ritchie<span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138095:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138095:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138095:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138095:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">Yes,
and do not forget about the facebook accounts requesting money that
where created before or the morning of the shooting when the 'parents'
had not been told yet who was dead. I am in IT and those dates do not
lie. Even if someone was to 'change' a existing website over - it is
still tacky to do it on the VERY SAME day. I am sorry... This is a
False Flag attack! Everything screams it! The cover up screams it! If
there is nothing to hide, then you do not try to hide it... The only
time there is something to hide is when you hide it, classify it, and
cover it up!</span></span></span><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138095:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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just block people like Kelly. ... she's just here too disagree and
shit disturb. ..Most of us know ...what's up and in over a year of
trying to educate people on this...I've come up with....some people you
can't educate to turn on a tap. We all agree the shit sounds soooo
outlandish that there is no way...for example...attended
superbowl...but...do some research with a open mind...and its pretty
apparent they did...k... it's like when the movie pulp fiction came
out.... didn't everyone have a theory on what was in the
briefcase...just making a point....</span></span></span><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138124:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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totally agree Brent. Having spent over a year arguing the toss over
this and 9/11,and Boston et al, you quickly develop a nose for a rat.
If, as would indeed be logical and necessary, the school was already
empty, the ONLY parents involved in this sc</span></span><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138164:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138164:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138164:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$0:0">am
would be the parents whose supposed kids were there. Sandy Hook had
been taken over in recent years after all. The only parents I can
remember who didn't have deceased kids were Richard and Jennifer, sorry,
Nick and Laura. They were crying over the loss of the headmistress!
Must be family. And if Kelly says there were ""real" kids in Sandy Hook,
well I would have to question her true motivation for visiting this
page. You could say, we've seen it so so many times before.</span></span></span></span></span><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138164:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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<a class="UFICommentActorName" data-ft="{"tn":";"}" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/hovercard.php?id=673828728&extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138167:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$author" href="https://www.facebook.com/m.chris.ritchie">Mark C Ritchie</a><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138167:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138167:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138167:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138167:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">You
are right Neil. We never heard from other parents with children at SH,
except them. I like how you through the 'parents' I mean 'actors'
names in there. lol......</span></span></span><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138167:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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Mark C Ritchie<span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138173:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138173:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138173:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138173:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.$end:0:$0:0">What
these 'actors' do not understand.... That they are involved in
treasonous acts! If it EVER official came out, they would be arrested,
charged, and tried for Treason. Can anyone remember what the penalty is
for Treason during war time? Because, remember, we are still at war
according to POTUS.</span></span></span><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138173:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.3"></span></div>
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That's one fucking deep rabbit hole, complete with militia twist at the end.<br />
<br />
And "they" are probably "after them":<br />
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<a class="UFICommentActorName" data-ft="{"tn":";"}" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/hovercard.php?id=100007748050512&extragetparams=%7B%22hc_location%22%3A%22ufi%22%7D" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$author" href="https://www.facebook.com/asia.payne.14">Asia Payne</a><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:2"> </span><span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><b><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.0"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.0.$end:0:$0:0">To
all who are now following and supporting Mr. Halbig - I'm sure that
we're all now on a "list" somewhere. If they're actually attempting to
silence him, then any of us here are most likely considered "associates"
of his and are obviously being monito</span></span></b><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><b>red
on this page. </b>I just want to say it out loud just in case anyone here
hadn't thought of that before. What we're discussing is one of the worst
agenda driven cover-ups in history and those behind it will stop at
NOTHING to keep the truth from being revealed. I often wonder why the
government hasn't completely shut down the internet, let alone pages
like this one...The only conclusion I can come to is that they want to
keep their "enemies" closer. They wouldn't be able to keep such close
watch on the "dissenters" if we weren't here posting publicly. Its a
double-edged sword for them really. So please take note of this, and
really think about that . If you have skeletons in your closet, or
children, etc., know that you are being watched and that can be risky
business. I have children, and I do fear for their safety, which is
exactly why I feel that we MUST fight to end the lies and corruption. I
am more afraid of our own government harming my children than I am of
some random unknown "terrorists". As a matter of fact - at 8:00 this
morning, a Wells Fargo bank was robbed about a mile from my home here in
The Woodlands (TX), subsequently, my boys' elementary school was put
into lockdown. The sad part was, I was more worried about what could
happen inside the school and the fact that I would have had to break the
law to access my children, than I was worried about a bank robber
running into the school and harming the children. Bank robbers don't
tend to run into schools and shoot children, statistically speaking. </span></span></span></span></span></div>
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"<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$0:0"><i> I often wonder why the
government hasn't completely shut down the internet, let alone pages
like this one...The only conclusion I can come to is that they want to
keep their "enemies" closer. They wouldn't be able to keep such close
watch on the "dissenters" if we weren't here posting publicly.</i>"</span></span></span></span></span><br />
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<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$0:0">No, dumbass, it because you fail at Facebook privacy settings.</span></span></span></span></span><br />
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<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$0:0">But think about Asia's retarded post for a minute...just think about it. <u> If the Hookers were on to something, "they" could shut down these Facebook profiles in a New York minute. </u> They did it before when 911 truth wooers were organizing with gun nuts on Facebook. This was mainly covered by the conspiracy woo blogsphere, leading with head gun nut Alex Jones:</span></span></span></span></span><br />
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http://www.infowars.com/facebook-purges-pro-gun-accounts/<br />
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What's interesting is the ONLY websites to report this were conspiracy woo outlets, with ONE exception: some idiot posted this at the Anonymous forum "Why We Protest" expecting kudos.<br />
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<a href="https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/wtf-facebook-purges-pro-gun-accounts.107602/">Things did not go well</a>. <br />
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<span data-ft="{"tn":"K"}" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body"><span class="UFICommentBody" data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0"><span data-reactid=".b.1:3:1:$comment4026716522998_3138428:0.0.$right.0.$left.0.0.0:$comment-body.0.3.0.$end:0:$0:0">"</span></span></span></span></span>These are the people who believe Earth is a prison planet as in OTIII,
run by shape shifting lizard people from outer space, amirite?"<br />
<br />
" You forgot HARP.<br />
I think the fb profiles were banned due to the mad fucking conspiracy
theory's some of these faggots were coming,up with over the new town
shootings."<br />
<br />
" Oh. I was guessing they were trolled by someone tired of their bullshit
and with enough time on their hands to report a few questionable TOS
violation posts."<br />
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<b><a class="externalLink" href="http://thezog.wordpress.com/who-is-behind-gun-control/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Who is Behind Gun Control?</a></b><br />
<br />
Most U.S. Federal gun control legislation has been written, introduced, and sponsored by Jewish Congressmen and Jewish Senators.<br />
<br />
<b>U.S. Federal Gun Control Legislation, 1968 – present</b><br />
<br />
1968: The Gun Control Act of 1968 comes from <b>Congressman Emanuel Celler’s</b> House bill H.R.17735. It expands legislation already attempted by the non-Jewish Senator Thomas Dodd. <b>America’s biggest and most far-reaching gun law came from a Jew</b>.</blockquote>
Well hell! This just keeps getting better and better! Could these people suck any less? I doubt it!<br />
<br />
My bet is that Facebook noticed a whole heap of sock accounts by neo-nazi/gun/conspiracy nuts and flushed them."
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<u>So, <i>contrary to Asia's comment</i>, we KNOW Facebook can deactivate profiles pushing this gun nut crap.</u> Why haven't they? The Hookers aren't as nasty this time around. Maybe they learned their lesson. Or maybe they're working up to it.<br />
<br />
Where does that leave us with Wolfgang Halbig? It's possible he's been duped by a complex scam. But, given his experience in security, and presumable some types of fraud, it's hard to believe he'd be <i>this</i> gullible.<br />
<br />
Halbig hasn't actually called on Sandy Hook Survivors to he hounded and stalked as agents. But he is making a fool of himself with law enforcement, spamming record's requests:<br />
<br />
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=239389.1160<br />
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Retired Cop and Educator Threatened for Questioning Sandy Hook Investigation
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January 25, 2014 <br />
Retired Cop and Educator Threatened for Questioning Sandy Hook Investigation<br />
By Wolfgang W. Halbig*<br />
<br />
The
correspondence below was sent by Wolfgang Halbig to Connecticut State
Police Lieutenant J. Paul Vance and Newtown Police Chief Michael Kehoe
on January 22, 2014. A retired Florida State Trooper, US Customs
Inspector, school administrator, security consultant and entrepreneur,
Mr. Halbig has independently researched the Sandy Hook Massacre for over
one year.<br />
<br />
Understanding what procedures are common during such
an event, he attempted with to consult state and federal law enforcement
authorities in charge of the investigation only to be rebuffed. His
numerous public records requests with Connecticut officials to obtain
materials related to the inquiry have similarly been met with silence. <b>Just
prior to the Christmas 2013 holiday Halbig explains how he was
threatened by Connecticut State Police via the Lake County Florida
Sheriff’s Deputies with arrest on felony charges of harassment if he
continued to investigate the event.</b><br />
<br />
An audio file is embedded of Halbig’s January 24, 2014 appearance on Prof. Jim Fetzer’s <i>The Real Deal</i> internet radio program.<br />
<br />
From: Wolfgang Halbig<br />
To: Vance and Kehoe<br />
January 22, 2014<br />
Subject: Why would one of you send Homicide Detectives to my home and Threatened me with Felony Arrest by CT State Police?<br />
<br />
[Lieutenant J. Paul] Vance and [Newtown Police Chief Michael] Kehoe;<br />
<br />
I
do not know which one you of you had the idea that by having the Lake
County, Florida Sheriffs Homicide Detectives show up at my house and
threatened me with Felony arrest by the CT State Police if I did not
stop asking questions about Sandy Hook Shooting.<br />
<br />
You want me to
stop asking questions in light of the fact that you both have yet to
respond to any of my Connecticut Freedom of Information Act requests for
the past 9 months, you both should be arrested for failing to comply
with Connecticut State Laws.<br />
<br />
I have served honorably in the
Military during Vietnam, I served as a Florida State Trooper in Miami,
Florida. I worked as United States Customs Inspector at both
International Airports and Seaports.<br />
I graduated at the top of my
class at the Florida Highway Patrol Academy and that is why my class
elected me as their class president to speak at our graduation.<br />
<br />
What
you two are doing is just unbelievable and I cannot believe that the
law enforcement community across the United States is accepting the
Danbury State Attorney report without the FBI Classified Investigative
information included.What in the world needs to be Classified by the
FBI?</blockquote>
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Note to Halbig:<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="tr_bq">
1. Stop hanging out with conspiracy loons.<br />
2. Do the fucking research...on your new friends like Fetzer.<br />
3. Get a clue and drop the Hooker bs. </blockquote>
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Or.. expect some emails. <br />
<br />
That is all.<br />
<br />
<br />
Halbig owns something called the Children's Safety Institute:<br />
<br />
https://www.facebook.com/Childrenssafetyinstitute/info<br />
<br />
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<blockquote class="tr_bq">
Joined Facebook<br />
24/07/2013<br />
Location<br />
<a href="https://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&pc=FACEBK&mid=8100&where1=5703+Red+Bug+Lake+Rd%2C+Winter+Springs%2C+Florida+32709&FORM=FBKPL0&name=Children%27s+Safety+Institute&mkt=en-GB" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">5703 Red Bug Lake Rd, Winter Springs, Florida 32709</a><br />
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