Thursday, December 27, 2012

Yahoo groups: Planehuggers Anonymous

A bizarre group list hosted at Yahoo focused on 9/11 conspiracies:

Description


This is a therapy group for people who have problems with 911 related depth perception.
The puzzle is how 911 brought about fresh and different meanings to basic concepts like "big" and "boom."

They jumped in with both feet pushing the Sandy Hook Hoax Dec 27, 2012 :



same make and model as at Sandy Hook
Posted By: Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:13 am  |
http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=841027#.UNu30zU6eM8

...But [grandmother-murder Spengler's] intent was unmistakable when he left his
flaming home carrying a pump-action shotgun, a .38-caliber revolver and a
.223-caliber semiautomatic Bushmaster rifle with flash suppression, the same
make and caliber weapon used in the elementary school massacre in Newtown,
Conn., that killed 26...

So I live in Rochester and I'm interested in knowing more about this guy that I
barely knew. I research his past: Killed his grandmum with a hammer? Surely
there's a few news articles about that on microfilm. Then I call the jail he
spent his time at. Can you confirm he served the time? Then I go to the local
real estate deed office. Can you confirm he owned the property?

I have a hunch no one in Rochester is going to look into this. They'd rather
investigate the waterfall one more time than think about those ambushed
firefighters.

In the next two weeks, 100% of the residents of Rochester will use whatever free
time they have to text their buds, watch pointless TV, download a few tunes and
play some video games. They will NOT be launching any kind of investigation.

Da Perps are laughing all the way to the bank.

 So far a total of seven posts on the subject:
14263 Re: Guide on how to talk to children about Sandy Hook 4 days BEFORE massacre
...hopes the Perps see the efforts and pick them up for the Magic Carpet Ride. I betcha Google employees who know about things like Sandy Hook before they happen are richly rewarded. "Bob, in recognition of your great work for us at Google, I now present to you the... 		Scott Loughrey
scottl44@...
scottl44
Jan 18, 2013
2:00 am
14262 Guide on how to talk to children about Sandy Hook 4 days BEFORE massacre
Guide on how to talk to children about Sandy Hook 4 days BEFORE massacre OOPS! http://tinyurl.com/b9tro69 		james_ha175
james_ha175@...
james_ha175
Jan 17, 2013
2:37 pm
14257 sandy hook prescience?
Three Days Before Shooting United Way "Extends Our Most Sincere Condolences To Sandy Hook Families" http://tinyurl.com/ard8ekn i guess they just couldn't wait. 		james_ha175
james_ha175@...
james_ha175
Jan 8, 2013
6:11 pm
14250 Re: sandy hook actors?
...burning cars instead of swords and armour. --- On Thu, 12/27/12, ron_winn@... wrote: From: ron_winn@... Subject: Re: [planehuggers] sandy hook actors? To: planehuggers@... Date: Thursday, December 27, 2012, 3:40 PM I'm more upset [being a parent] than they seem to... 		Scott Loughrey
scottl44@...
scottl44
Dec 28, 2012
2:31 am
14249 Re: [planehuggers] sandy hook actors?
...with all these shootings. From: james_ha175 Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 5:03 PM To: planehuggers@... Subject: [planehuggers] sandy hook actors? sandy hook family members' interviews less than 48 hrs after the incident. not a real tear to be found - in fact it... 		ron_winn@lineone.net
ron_winn@...
toooldforthis21
Dec 27, 2012
8:40 pm
14248 sandy hook actors?
sandy hook family members' interviews less than 48 hrs after the incident. not a real tear to be found - in fact it seems like it is... 		james_ha175
james_ha175@...
james_ha175
Dec 27, 2012
5:05 pm
14247 same make and model as at Sandy Hook
http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=841027#.UNu30zU6eM8 ...But [grandmother-murder Spengler's] intent was unmistakable when he left his flaming home carrying a pump-action shotgun, a .38-caliber revolver and a .223-caliber semiautomatic... 		Scott Loughrey
scottl44@...
scottl44
Dec 27, 2012
3:13 am


These people appear to be veterans in the spreading batshit woo department:


 Scott Loughrey spread lies about Amy Goodman of Democracy Now, implying she was an "agent" and somehow complicit in the 9/11 Attacks.  This wasn't a private derangement, Loughrey spread it on indymedia, recording his lunacy for posterity:

 Amy Goodman, Left Gatekeeper; by Scott LoughreyAuthor
  • 14 Mar 2004

 http://baltimore.indymedia.org/newswire/display/6523/index.php


 Anyone who wants to read more of Scott's conspiracy spam can go here:

http://baltimore.indymedia.org/mod/accounts/display/1205/index.php

Apparently  in Baltimore, Scott can be reached by email:
Scott Loughrey is a media critic in Baltimore. He can be reached at scottL44@yahoo.com. 

Tell him how you feel about the harassment of Sandy Hook survivors.


" James Ha"also has a conspiracy rich back ground in the same subjects of the 9/11 attacks since 2006(email at end of forwarded header):

http://www.mail-archive.com/political-research@yahoogroups.com/msg05033.html



Re: [political-research] E-mail from Steven Jones to Gerard Holmgren

Sean McBride Thu, 03 Aug 2006 13:55:38 -0700
Whether Gerard Holmgren is a Rupert Murdoch COINTELPRO op or not doesn't matter -- the fact is that he behaves as if he were one.  He expends much more energy in attacking the most effective voices in the 9/11 truth movement than in going after the parties that were probably behind 9/11 -- classic COINTELPRO.  Holmgren and anyone associated with him should simply be ignored.
 
Great post, by the way -- a strategic communication.  It surprises me that it is taking bright people like Stephen Jones so long to figure out Holmgren -- but they are gradually catching on.
 
There might be something to some aspects of the no-planes theory -- maybe.  But the no-planers are undercutting themselves by their fanaticism.


better_off_said <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Forgot option: f. "D'oh!" (I'm an idiot.)

The email from which I was forwarding is not registered with this
group, which is why they didn't go through, so I'm copying and
pasting the email.

BTW, I left in the lengthy CC list so you can see who receives these
emails (you'll probably recognize a lot more than I). But it's just
a lot of flame wars and "take me off the list" emails, nothing
productive really.

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From : Steve Jones <hardevidence@gmail.com>
Sent : July 27, 2006 6:31:04 PM
To : "Gerard Holmgren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]net.au>
CC : "Rick Rajter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]edu>, "Nico Haupt"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>, "Steven Jones"
<steven_jones@byu.edu>, "Russell Pickering"
<russellpickering@bresnan.net>, "Rosalee Grable"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]y.com>,
catapultthepropagan[EMAIL PROTECTED]com, "Mark S Bilk"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>, "Billy Ruane"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]std.com>, "9/11 Alex James"
<alexjames9999@nerdshack.com>, "9/11 Citizens Watch"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]h.org>, "9/11 DIGITAL ARCHIVE"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]ive.org>, "9/11 Don Stacey"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]net>, "9/11 Greg Szymanski"
<patriott2424@aol.com>, "9/11 Hal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>, "9/11 Jim
Marrs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]net>, "9/11 John Doraemi"
<johndoraemi@yahoo.com>, "9/11 John Lee"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED].net>, "9/11 Laura Knight-Jadczyk"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>, "9/11 melvang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]dk>, "9/11
Pastor Mike Treis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>, "9/11 res wilson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>, "9/11 REVALING THE TRUTH"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]org>, "9/11 Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>, "9/11
Taking Aim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]net>, "9/11 Wtcqd2000"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>, 911insidejobbers@yahoogroups.com, "Alex
Constantine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]net>, "Alex Floume" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]con, angiesept11 <angiesept11@yahoo.com>, APFN
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, BarHonegger@aol.com, "Barry Chamish"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]net.il>, better_off_said
<IsntHappening@hotmail.com>, bluemoosefilms@hotmail.com,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]org, "brian mckenna"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED].com>, "Bruce Tanner"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]net>, "Carol Brouillet"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]org>, "Cathy Garger"
<savorsuccesslady@yahoo.com>, "civl ecco" <civileconomic@yahoo.com>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]com, !MCAC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>,
webstertarpley@yahoo.com, "Wayne Madsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>, "w r"
<in_the_bluechair@yahoo.com>, "Veronica Chapman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>, "Ty Rauber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]org>, "Tim
Canale" <basement.dnai@rcn.com>, ThomasJMattingly@msn.com, "stu8340
Hawks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]net>, "Rob Newman"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED].net>, "Rick Siegel"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>, "Richard Kane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>, "Richard
Grove ((8th Estate Public Media))"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>, "President, USA Exile Govt." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
exile.org>, perpetualynquisitive
<perpetualynquisitiv[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ozzy bin Oswald"
<hisholiness@rome.com>, "morgan reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED].com>,
Monk <deedee.king@comcast.net>, missilegate@yahoogroups.com, "Mia
Hamel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]rr.com>, "mary titus"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>, malaprop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>, "Lynn Ertell"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]net>, "Lenny Bloom"
<cloak.dagger@gmail.com>, "Kevin Barrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>, "Ken
Jenkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>, "Jimmy Walter"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]org>, "Jackie Patru"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED].org>, "Geraldine Perry"
<healthadvantage@comcast.net>, "Fred Smart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>,
Fonebone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]com, "Dave Shaw"
<davisherenow@yahoo.com>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]mind.com,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]com, brianvernon@eircom.net,
revolutionCHL@yahoo.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]com,
realityandfiction@yahoo.co.uk, [EMAIL PROTECTED]com,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]net, gianthaystack@hotmail.com,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]net, [EMAIL PROTECTED]com, "Victor Thorn"
<sisyphus1285@cs.com>, "Daryl Smith" <iamthewitness@hotmail.com>,
james_ha175@yahoo.com  
          ^^^^^^^^^^^

      Subject : Re: Jones denies proof of demolition

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Fascinating gibberish.  No wonder he (claims to) thinks the Sandy Hook victims are fake.  Tell "Ha" what you think about harassing people who lost children.  Bet he won't say "Ha" after that.


Ron Winn shares both Scott and James 9/11 conspiracy obsession as this blog covers:


Thursday, February 23, 2006

[911InsideJobbers] Digest Number 393

There are 25 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: What exactly Should Scholars For 9/11 Truth Be Doing Before The Cameras?
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
2. Re: OT: An evil thought
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
3. Jimmy Walter with Rodriguez in Venezuela...
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
4. Re: Re: At least one of these videos is "fake"-- I think this is solid proof
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
5. Who was the engineer who was so right?
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
6. Nico's critical analysis of Scholars for 9/11 Truth
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
7. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
8. Re: Nico's critical analysis of Scholars for 9/11 Truth
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
9. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
10. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
11. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
12. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
13. Re: 2/20 NYC
From: Roy McCoy <roy@luna.nl>
14. Re: Exchange with Victoria Ashley.......w: [911truthalliance] www.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.com
From: Roy McCoy <roy@luna.nl>
15. Re: 2/20 NYC
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
16. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: Rosalee Grable <webfairy@thewebfairy.com>
17. GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/Fl
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
18. Banned at hannity.com
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
19. Re: Banned at hannity.com
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
20. Re: GERMAN TABLOID ABOUT Relationship between ATTA and Amanda Keller in Venice/F
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
21. Re: Banned at hannity.com (Clarificaiton)
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
22. Re: Exchange with Victoria Ashley.......w: [911truthalliance] www.xxxxxxxxxxxxx.
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>
23. Re: Banned at hannity.com (Clarificaiton)
From: "grolode" <grolode@yahoo.com>
24. Doug Thompson - I don't trust anything he reports.....
From: "Bill Giltner" <bill.giltner@gmail.com>
25. Re: Re: 2/20 NYC
From: "Nico Haupt" <nicohaupt@gmx.li>
________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________
Message: 1
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:01:20 -0000
From: "alexldent" <alexldent@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: What exactly Should Scholars For 9/11 Truth Be Doing Before The Cameras?

[SNIP]

Message: 4
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:35:13 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Re: Re: At least one of these videos is "fake"-- I think this is solid proof
Neither of what you show are what you can call long distances and the south west approach you show is based on the other version [with the last minute left turn but since it goes behind the north tower we don't know how that one hit. The longest flight is the Brooklyn shot. Why not include this one?
Loose Change says there was a south east approach.
----- Original Message -----
From: alexldent

And

Message: 5
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:39:10 -0000
From: "ron_winn" <ron_winn@lineone.net>
Subject: Who was the engineer who was so right?
A [so far] un-named engineer from the Department of Buildings reported that the structural damage appeared to be emmence. The stability of both buildings were compromised. In particular the engineer was worried about how long the north tower would stand.
This came at a time when delegates had reached WTC7, to the command bunker but were congretated in the lobby for fear of a third plane.[This will give an idea of the time line]
This concern was relayed to John Peruggia, the fire department's delegate. Peruggia summoned an emergency medical technician , Rich Zarillo [an aide] he was to go to the command post on West Street, across from the north tower. He was then only to see Chief of Department Peter Ganci and to tell him the information. Peruggia had no other means of making contact other than by messenger.
Rich Zarillo in fact told Chief Ganci's aide, Fire Marshall Steve Mosiello which was then passed on to his chief.
Ganci looked stunned and said "Who would tell you something like that". He knew from experience that skyscrapers do not collapse from less than an hour of fire.
Mosiello turned to the messenger. "Richie, come over here and tell the chief what you just told me" he said.
At that moment, at the command center on West Street, Chief Ganci had just finished hearing the message from Rich Zarillo and a gathering rumble filled the air. "What the fuck is that" Ganci asked.
A glance at the south tower, its top dissolving into smoke answered his question.
[adapted from the book "102 Minutes"]
To be continued if anything else emerges from the book in this regard.
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:49:46 -0000
From: "Lynn Ertell" <lynnertell@comcast.net>

Ronnie has been imagining fake things since at least 2006.  He also posts on the Patriot cult network website American Patriots Friends Network or APFN, a website for militant gun nuts among other things:


www.apfn.net/messageboard/7-17-03/discussion.cgi.99.html


Ron Winn
The Iraqis were "not playing by the rules.
Sun Jul 13 16:37:24 2003
208.152.73.190

The Iraqis were "not playing by the rules.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Metoyou" ron_winn@lineone.net
To: "Everyman" silver@nwinfo.net
Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 11:50 AM
Subject: Mr Internet Man
Share you feelings with Ron aout him pushing the Sandy Hook Hoax scam:

ron_winn@lineone.net
We're sure he'll be happy to hear from you.








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